I'm sure you're unconcerned about Russians buying up Britain.uziq wrote:
yes, sure, i'm the dumb one and you're still talking about 'invasion day'. keep peering through your blinds at the new chinese family on the street! keep an eye on them buddy! you be vigilant. make sure to subtly quiz them at the bus stop on australian values!
Here they do the full degree or masters with the intention of staying and gaining residence.most of them come for a year and do it in a desultory fashion. the universities are eager for their immense cash, and upwardly mobile chinese families are eager for the prestige. they take western degrees purely to 'get ahead' of the competition back home. but back home is where they invariably end up going. that is where they want to build their lives. they believe in the future of their country.
as for why they are relying on western universities rather than their own: it's complicated. but china is investing massively in its own university sector, and a good number of its undergraduate institutions are as competitive and esteemed as any western counterparts. sending your child abroad to study for a year will always be a high-status thing. westerners do it too. americans in paris, french in london, brits in america, etc. it's part of that 'cultural education' and 'rounding out' that you scoff at so much. and then you wonder why people look sideways at your weird ingrown opinions.
wow, 250 foreign students a year settling here! 0.1% of the total! it’s an exodus! the jews leaving slavery in egypt!Study visas are temporary and do not provide a direct route to settlement. Among non-EU migrants issued an initial study visa in 2013, 16% still had valid leave to remain around five years later at the end of 2018. Around 4% (around 6,600) held work visas, 10% (around 16,000) were still on study visas, and 0.1% (around 250) had settlement (Figure 7). The remaining 84% had an expired visa, and so would have been required to leave.
Home Office exit checks data show that at least 98% of non-EU students left on time. This figure represents the minimum level of compliance with visa duration, because the departures of many people go unrecorded (see Home Office, 2019b; 2019c).
There are differences between national groups in their status five years after initially coming to the UK on a study visa. For example, Indians are four times more likely than Chinese students to have a work visa, while Chinese students are more than twice as likely as Indians to have a study visa (Figure 7).
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati … l_studentsMost international students who come to study in Australia wish to reside here permanently.
chinese students overwhelmingly do math/business/accounting courses here, too. it has nothing to do with subject and everything to do with the bragging rights of educating your child at expensive foreign schools, or of having the same on your CV for a corporate career.. how is this not fucking obvious to you? why does it need to be explained? it's a well-established phenomenon. are you really so lost in ethno-dreamland that you think the chinese are desperate to get into the west? christ alive. go and talk to some people.Universities Australia Deputy Chief Executive Anne-Marie Lansdown said the record amount of foreign students isn't just a boon to the education sector.
'Our world-class universities attract students from all over the globe, bringing vast benefits to Australians and the nation,' Ms Lansdown said.
'And the buck doesn't stop with us – that $32billion flows on into the entire Australian economy, generating jobs, supporting wages, and lifting the living standards of Australians.
'International education is a modern Australian success story – built from the ground up over six decades to become the nation's third-largest export and the envy of the world.'
Ms Lansdown added that a majority of international students return to their home country.
'Australians develop powerful personal and professional relationships, and long-lasting cultural, diplomatic and trade ties when students from overseas spend their formative years here,' she said.
'And when international students return home from their studies – which the vast majority do – this creates a powerful network of global alumni with great affection for Australia.'
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yes, it is, actually. which is rather our whole point. the chinese middle-class are growing at a rapid rate. they are affluent. there are lots of jobs. it's a whole lot less effort to get a well-paying job back home, settle down, marry and meet your parents' expectations than it is to deracinate yourself. in comparison, the middle-class in the US/UK are shrinking, and being ever more squeezed. what young graduate today expects a better life than their parents? which average middle-class family has $100,000s spare for their kid's education, even? what are you not getting about this picture?Its not hard to see why.
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don't kid yourself. the germans will be packing the south coast of spain and the tourist resorts of lake garda etc in italy. like usual.if people aren't idiots they'll choose to visit the normally overlooked places in Italy.
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the more i read about this, the more depressed i am about the democrats. half of these bills are aid packages to lobbyists and corporate special interests. they were throwing all sorts of shit into the 'aid package'. there's so much cynicism and naked self-interest at work in american politics, even during a national crisis like this.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Democrats in the house passed a $3 trillion relief bill. It has no chance in the Senate. Analyst are calling it more of an opening offer than anything.
well, yes, broadly, except when democrat stimulus bills seem to be mostly aimed at rescuing corporate america than blue-collar joes.SuperJail Warden wrote:
The Republicans are the ones who add on a bunch of special interest spending when the bills reach the senate. The democrats hold up the bills to add stuff that provides relief for common people.
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Dumbest thing you've said in a while. The Democrats represent Silicon Valley, Wall Street, trial lawyers, public sector workers and the health care industry. They mouth the words about caring for the little guy, or at least throwbacks like Biden do, but the people in Congress only care about the people funding their reelection campaigns. You are not their constituency, Mark Zuckerberg and your teachers union are because you cough up.SuperJail Warden wrote:
The Republicans are the ones who add on a bunch of special interest spending when the bills reach the senate. The democrats hold up the bills to add stuff that provides relief for common people.
I don't live in the New Jersey suburbs, macbeth does. Don't insult me like that.uziq wrote:
it's absolutely wild how asymmetrical covid's impacts have been on american society.
the vast majority of rich new yorkers simply left. meanwhile you're about 5x as likely to die if you're black or latino.
and jay, living in the NJ suburbs, thinks everyone should get back to work, and can't understand the 'cowardice' of those workers who have misgivings.
make u think
SuperJail Warden wrote:
The Republicans are the ones who add on a bunch of special interest spending when the bills reach the senate. The democrats hold up the bills to add stuff that provides relief for common people.
further similarities:The most severely affected section of the population has been the ultra-Orthodox community. In the city of Bnei Brak, just east of Tel Aviv, there are almost 12 cases per 1000 people. Celebrations for the Purim holiday, which involve drinking, dancing, costumes and masks, were held as usual on 9-10 March – in most cases with no restrictions at all – and seem to have accelerated the spread of the virus. Much of the subsequent criticism was directed at the health minister, Yaakov Litzman, an ultra-Orthodox rabbi who later himself became infected with Covid-19: he had specifically exempted ultra-Orthodox institutions from the general restrictions. But some secular Israelis – in a disturbing echo of the way Jews in Europe were accused of ‘spreading the plague’ during the Black Death – have turned on the ultra-Orthodox community as a whole, one of Israel’s poorest groups, many of them living in densely populated neighbourhoods and choosing to have little access to television, radio and the internet.
As finance minister under Ariel Sharon (2003-5) and as prime minister (2009-20, or, if the latest polls are to be believed, until the end of time), Netanyahu has pursued the cause of privatisation and neoliberal economics while neglecting basic services and investment in public health. According to the Gini index, Israel was the most unequal state in the OECD between 2013 and 2015; it moved up to second most unequal in 2016 when the US took the bottom spot. A report published last year by the Taub Centre for Social Policy Studies made it clear how low down the list of government priorities Israel’s public services are: there are 2.2 hospital beds per 1000 people compared to an OECD average of 3.6, or 4.1 in countries with similar healthcare systems. The report also revealed acute inequality in hospital services between Israel’s centre and its periphery, and the absence of any kind of plan for the future of the health system. Revealingly, when Covid-19 began to spread in Israel, Netanyahu ordered Mossad to undertake a secret shopping expedition in the Arabian Gulf (probably the UAE) to buy up 500,000 coronavirus testing kits for Israel’s use. The decision says as much about the government’s neglect of public services as it does about its generalised panic.
Meanwhile, the government has done nothing to alleviate the concerns of the more than one million Israelis – 24 per cent of the workforce – who are currently unemployed. When the government announced its £18 billion plan to support the economy during the emergency, it came as no surprise that the money wouldn’t be released to those who had lost everything overnight but would take the form of loans to be advanced only to businesses with acceptable reorganisation plans. This wasn’t about helping businesses in a time of crisis: it was about forcing them to adopt the government’s way of thinking.
Naomi Klein’s The Shock Doctrine has been mentioned over and over again in the last few weeks: in the Israeli case, when disaster struck, there were hands, not necessarily invisible, intent on shifting the state’s responsibilities onto its citizens. And the state uses all the resources at its disposal to keep those citizens in line: while the ‘heroic’ Mossad has been operating behind enemy lines to sneak coronavirus testing kits into Israel, Shin Bet has stepped up its surveillance of ordinary people, tracking the movements of mobile phones. Netanyahu has made unstinting use of emergency regulations; he has sought to paralyse the work of the Knesset and the courts; he has set up a ‘unity government’ to pursue his own agenda. Gantz – the one person who was in a position to replace him, through an alliance with the representatives of Israel’s 1.6 million Arabs – has now surrendered any chance of a more democratic Israel in favour of supporting the prime minister’s anti-democratic legacy. For Netanyahu the prognosis is good. For Israel, the future will be at least as bad as the past
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