BF2S Forums Pandemic thread

uziq wrote:

i don't know why you keep thinking anti-racism is high on my agenda. it really isn't. debunking myths about bat soup and talking about global competition has nothing to do with racism. i don't even see the clear logical connection between globalism and racism.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

It has been a disaster for the working classes of the western world.

The removal of manufacturing jobs have lead to an overall decrease in the value of labor in the west that has rippled throughout the economy. Low wage service jobs were not good replacements for the manufacturing jobs that went overseas.

Perhaps, but those people did not have a God given right to those particular jobs. It was theirs for as long as it made sense financially for the company that employed them. You want 3x the wages of someone in China? Ok, then you need 3x the productivity and quality to justify it. When they started writing work rules that purposefully slowed production and decreased efficiency they tied the noose around their own necks.

It wasn't even greed that drove it. It was global competition from places like Japan, and yes, China. Japanese automaking took advantage of automation first, and they produced a car without the myriad defects built into American made cars. If you want to blame anyone, blame the MBA's that tried to min/max every aspect of production (and still do). They are the ones that replaced steel with plastic in order to save a few pennies on shipping costs. They're the ones that set the design parameters for the engineers that called for bearings to wear out at 80,000 miles in order to force repairs. American car manufacturers realized along the way that they made more profit selling parts than they did new vehicles.

Now, none of those upper level issues are the fault of the line workers, but between the greed, laziness, and just piss poor management, the writing was on the wall as soon as any form of competition entered the market. Should the US government have stepped in and walled us off with tariffs? Why? So they could continue running their shitty companies? Then your average American consumer would be held hostage with only inferior products available. No, we're better off in the long run.

They do not have a God given right to good jobs and God knows I have little sympathy for them as human beings. But their government had a responsibility to protect the manufacturing base of the country and the livelihoods of its workers. Of course American manufacturers and other industries shamed themselves by going along with the financialization of their companies and the economy at large but that is an issue of internal regulation. American companies needed reforms and not a stab in the back which is what the blue collar manufacturing base got.

I'm not saying that we need to end globalism or that that would even be possible. But we just shouldn't have been so flippant about moving stuff or how we moved stuff overseas. And I am not even going to go into the irrationality of building up the economy of a hostile foreign nation like we did with China.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

The only reason liberals defend globalism is because it is tied up mentally with anti-racism. They see a bunch of Republican white trash complaining about losing their good paying jobs and thumb their noses at them. Eventually you end up with things like people defending China because someone said mean things about Chinese culture (Dilbert v. Uzique). You will end up with a bunch of liberals crying about how unions in America were destroyed and wages are bad but then talk about globalism as an inevitable good. "America needs good paying union jobs but not those kind of union jobs".

But whatever. I shouldn't even be complaining about it. Keep promoting the death and destruction of the western working class. They are my cultural enemies anyway.

Larssen wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Larssen wrote:

Moreover it's the wrong side of history and here globalism does play a part. Alongside global economics and exchange of goods you will exchange information, ideas and people. Cultures clash and blend and inevitably change. It's in the nature of culture to change.

You sound like a New York Times article from 1997.

Western liberals are the only group on the planet committed to this kumbaya bullshit. The Chinese are not interested in being your friends. The working class Chines that Uzique defends want to knock his teeth out for touching their women. The Muslim wants to cut both of your heads off for centuries of grievances. The blacks would rob Uzique while shouting world star if he ventured into their ghetto. And the Jews only want your weapons and soldiers to do the dying for them.

As far as racism goes, western liberals have their own racism: they think they are special enough that everyone in the world wants to be their friend and have anything to do with them.

Every single city and culture in history you admire was or became 'multicultural' which then evolved into new identities.

Last edited by uziq (2020-05-04 10:20:01)

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Just a "minor issue"

How do you know how Turks feel about other Turks?

Last edited by Larssen (2020-05-04 12:08:27)

RTHKI wrote:

Mac what is your opinion on the IRA

Larssen wrote:

Because I live in Europe? Because entire movies have been made about this? I know you won't know them but they're not english language, sorry.