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Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, described the federal government’s response to coronavirus as “a great success story” just a day after the US reached the grim milestone of confirming more than 1 million cases of the virus.

“We’re on the other side of the medical aspect of this,” Kushner told Fox News. “The federal government rose to the challenge, and this is a great success story, and I think that’s really what needs to be told.”
these people are simply not on the same planet. they are either banally evil and know it or deluded beyond all belief.

you have the most cases in the world where many smaller, poorer nations have curbed or eradicated it entirely. you have 1/3rd of the total cases worldwide. vietnam just happened in 2 months. in what sense this is a 'great success story', i have not the slightest idea.

honestly: fuck these people. incompetent and shameless.
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There's no limit to the mental gymnastics. Within the span of a few minutes, I can hear one person blurt "but America has 330 million people, it's unfair to compare--researchers have actually found that most people get the sniffles and are fine--well so many of us have it now that not getting back to work would do even more damage in terms of economic loss!"

"The governors and mayors don't have the authority to keep doing this to our bill of rights! Rise up, American people!"
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jay's favourite statistic is the total american population. he must have it tattoo'd somewhere. makes you wonder how he can credulously report that america has '3.3 million car fatalities' a year. as if america was shedding 1% of its population every single year to automobile accidents alone. dum dum!

total population obviously isn't really the most relevant statistic in epidemiology. it's a matter of allocating the right resources and strategy in the early containment phase. mobilizing appropriately. things like population density, demographics, whether people live/cluster in cities or are spread rurally etc. are far more germane data. and the simple fact is that you are failing and failing massively. it arrived in seoul, south korea, one of the world's great metropolises, at the same time it arrived in the pacific north-west. you are out of excuses.
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uziq wrote:

or deluded beyond all belief.
This one

I believe they genuinely think they're doing a good job.
They've surround themselves with people who are insane and will tell them they're doing a good job regardless of facts or science. That team has then surrounded themselves with an even larger circle who are saying the same.
Any stray fact that makes its way into the inner circle, usually from evil left wing media, like say, the NYT, is quickly overruled in their heads by the 100 voices telling them it's wrong/fake/just a ploy to discredit the president/etc.

Over and over and over and over again.
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I thought this was an insightful read re: future coronavirus spread and potential impacts. Notice how the scientists on the front line are highlighting that zoonotic disease spread (in particular, coronaviruses) will not go away with elimination of wet markets, and that the larger issue is encroachment of wild habitat. Interesting also - the analysis by the one scientist regarding vocations that are more susceptible to exposure to novel zoonotic virus.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti … onavirus1/
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i was saying that pretty much in the first place to dilbert but he didn't want to know. shall read in the morning, ta.
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However the last umpteen pandemics have been driven by bush meat consumption so lets be radical and say the last umpteen pandemics have been driven by bush meat consumption.

Harvesting bush meat and delivering it to urban centres as a delicacy is unnecessary and retarded.
That it also cross-contaminates farming areas is another no-brainer.

So what in summary is the argument? People should carry on eating bats because they'll just catch something from something eventually anyway?
The article doesn't even say that.
In China, all research into the origins of the virus must go through prior vetting as part of a new policy, according to notices seen by the Guardian.
Most likely Ken's article is govt sponsored propaganda designed to deflect attention.

“Bat-borne coronaviruses will cause more outbreaks,” Shi says with a tone of brooding certainty. “We must find them before they find us.” 

Not catching and eating wild bats seems like a no-brainer in the meantime.

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uziq wrote:

jay's favourite statistic is the total american population. he must have it tattoo'd somewhere. makes you wonder how he can credulously report that america has '3.3 million car fatalities' a year. as if america was shedding 1% of its population every single year to automobile accidents alone. dum dum!
How metal would that be if true, though. Obviously horrible and unsustainable, but our highways would be like a Mad Max free-for-all. Every minute with your butt in the seat spent flirting with incredibly violent death. Exhilarating missions to Chick-fil-A all kitted out in fire retardant body armor. High drama and PTSD, federally sanctioned road rage, and piracy on the freeway. Streaming footage could be our most lucrative export.

Macbeth could scratch killing something off his bucket list so I don't have to worry about his future police dog.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

However the last umpteen pandemics have been driven by bush meat consumption so lets be radical and say the last umpteen pandemics have been driven by bush meat consumption.

Harvesting bush meat and delivering it to urban centres as a delicacy is unnecessary and retarded.
That it also cross-contaminates farming areas is another no-brainer.

So what in summary is the argument? People should carry on eating bats because they'll just catch something from something eventually anyway?
The article doesn't even say that.
In China, all research into the origins of the virus must go through prior vetting as part of a new policy, according to notices seen by the Guardian.
Most likely Ken's article is govt sponsored propaganda designed to deflect attention.

“Bat-borne coronaviruses will cause more outbreaks,” Shi says with a tone of brooding certainty. “We must find them before they find us.” 

Not catching and eating wild bats seems like a no-brainer in the meantime.
I find it interesting that you resort to such reductive reasoning. Coronavirus source is bats so that must mean people are eating bats! Were people in Australia eating bats when Hendra broke out? What about those Germans in Marburg?

You can do better, Dilbert.
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So your argument IS "people should carry on eating bats because they'll just catch something from bats eventually anyway"
There's no point in trying to avoid bats at all.

This is Jay-level thinking.
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oh, i didn't realize you were trolling. My bad.
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I'm going to assume that you're stoned and let this pass.
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Just a little flu.
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meanwhile, sweden, which has taken no public measures thus far and is now taking off like a rocket in numbers, has now decided to ‘spread chicken manure in public parks to deter visitors’.

what strategy! what leadership! i can see why Jay was full of praise for them. a state and society that truly believes in the good sense of its people to do the right thing and be responsible. spreading animal manure in place of public health policy. it’ll be over in a fortnight!

south korea reports no new daily cases.

it’s amazing how impervious a lot of thickos are to reality.
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Here's some more quotes from Shi Zhengli

Dubbed “Batwoman” of Wuhan by her colleagues after years of virus-hunting expeditions in bat caves she described as “spellbinding”, Shi Zenghli has been warning the world for years that the wildlife trade of bats, civets, and other animals was a recipe for disaster.

Five years ago, she was a co-author of a paper that contained a public warning that the SARS virus outbreak “heralded a new era in the cross-species transmission of severe respiratory illness with globalisation leading to rapid spread around the world and massive economic impact.”

“Although public health measures were able to stop the SARS-CoV outbreak, recent metagenomics studies have identified sequences of closely related SARS-like viruses circulating in Chinese bat populations that may pose a future threat,’’ the paper states.

...

In the presentation, she warned that more SARS-style viruses were lurking in bat caves and humans were to blame for putting “pig farms next to bat colonies”.
https://www.ntnews.com.au/news/world/co … 96df1654fb
Still not sure what point Ken is trying to make.
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We just need sustainable bat farming.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
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the point is in the last paragraph. which is precisely what we have been saying. not all zoonotic infections come from people eating bats. the animals are kept or sought for other reasons too. ‘putting pig farms next to wildlife habitat’ is the real problem. encroachment on wild habitats. destruction of the same.

your scenario in which you blame chinese people for eating bats and claim they should stop is inadequate.
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OK, people need to stop eating bats and putting pig farms near bats.
Easily done.
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evidently not. arable land or industrial farms have to border something, especially as we need more and more of it. giving off vast tracts of the stuff to exportable monocultures can't help the picture.

as in the other thread, in which pointing to, say, evangelical congregations as incubators of coronavirus as much as hasidim, your argument quickly escalates to 'let's ban all animal contact', 'let's get rid of all religion, then'. i.e. you think like a teenager and are scarcely more credible.

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Who said ban all animal contact? Just not have contact with bats, which amount to a small number of caves in an obscure area of China.

Often guided by tips from local villagers, Shi and her colleagues had to hike for hours to potential sites and inch through tight rock crevasses on their stomachs. And the flying mammals can be elusive. In one frustrating week, the team explored more than 30 caves and saw only a dozen bats.
Seems pretty fucking simple to avoid them if they're that remote, inaccessible and hard to find.

Your reductionism is becoming more absurd.
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bats are extremely common in indonesia. do you really think the description from your article about a specific case study done by a researcher applies to all bat populations everywhere, and their proximity to human activity? what, are you fucking stupid or something?

bats aren't the only species to carry zoonotic illness. all mammals pose a decent risk. civets, pangolins, pigs, cows, chickens, other avian species.

what's your answer to those? come on, mr solutions-guy engineer.
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I don't know, don't hunt them down for eating?

Its as stupid as farming rabid dogs.
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Where Did This Coronavirus Originate? Virus Hunters Find Genetic Clues In Bats 4/15
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/14/83410916 … es-in-bats

Given that some China's earliest COVID-19 patients were connected to the Hunan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, it is likely the seafood market played a role in amplifying the virus. However, there is not enough evidence to prove that is where the virus transmitted from animals to humans. There is also evidence emerging that among the first 41 patients hospitalized in China, 13 had no connection to this particular marketplace. The path of the pathogen is still unknown.
But no, hopping aboard that early knee-jerk train and calling this a virus from someone who ate a bat at an "Asian virus market" is obviously the most helpful answer.

Peter Daszak, President of the U.S.-based non-profit Ecohealth Alliance, says that even if bats are the origin, they are not to blame for the pandemic.

"It's not bats. It's us. It's what we do to bats that drives this pandemic risk," Daszak said. His research demonstrates how interactions between wildlife and livestock, food and agriculture practices, as well as humans close proximity to animals in densely populated areas, create the conditions for viral outbreaks.
"I'm so angry right now. This COVID-19 outbreak, before January 20th, you could say it's China's fault. The Chinese government. But after January 20th, the rest of the world is still not taking it seriously. Our political system, our diplomatic system, our international relationship system is just not ready," Wang said.
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you have been repeating the same stupid shit over and over and over and over for dozens of pages.

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