uziq
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But the economy.
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SuperJail Warden
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So it's been about a week and my mom hasn't gotten better but she also hasn't gotten significantly worse. She mostly just sleeps a lot though I hear her coughing at night. She went for her COVID test today and will hear back the result in 3-5 days. There is some good news: She did a round of antibiotics and while they didn't fix her illness at least secondary infection isn't a worry right now. Also she has a Nebulizer she uses and we do have a CPAP machine in the house too if it comes to that. I have two sister nurses one of which lives with her. My sister is pretty confident. She says that people at the hospital are much worse and if our mom is sick, she is only mildly infected. And if mom is hospitalized at least my sisters can watch over her at the hospital. My mom is fairly lucky in that she has a lot of resources that other people don't.

Spare me your condolences. I know I don't deserve them. What I find interesting and why I shared this message is that my sister, my father, and I are still totally fine. My mom was under almost total self isolation while my father and sister still went to work. If my mom has the COVID that means at least one of them brought it home and wasn't symptomatic. And if my mom is sick then that definitely means my dad was infected too since they sleep together. He complained about chest pains but is still walking about just fine. He is getting antibiotics anyway just in case. Luckily him and my sister are blood type O which seems to have a small resistance to the disease. As for me, who the hell knows.

If family is representative of the possible COVID infection pattern that means the 957,000 recorded cases are a lot higher. Can you imagine if there are 4 million or about 1.5% of Americans already infected? Wild stuff.
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About the two week mark is where you need to keep a close eye on them as thats when they can suddenly crash.
Its the difference between the lungs processing just enough oxygen vs just too little.
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Jay
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

So it's been about a week and my mom hasn't gotten better but she also hasn't gotten significantly worse. She mostly just sleeps a lot though I hear her coughing at night. She went for her COVID test today and will hear back the result in 3-5 days. There is some good news: She did a round of antibiotics and while they didn't fix her illness at least secondary infection isn't a worry right now. Also she has a Nebulizer she uses and we do have a CPAP machine in the house too if it comes to that. I have two sister nurses one of which lives with her. My sister is pretty confident. She says that people at the hospital are much worse and if our mom is sick, she is only mildly infected. And if mom is hospitalized at least my sisters can watch over her at the hospital. My mom is fairly lucky in that she has a lot of resources that other people don't.

Spare me your condolences. I know I don't deserve them. What I find interesting and why I shared this message is that my sister, my father, and I are still totally fine. My mom was under almost total self isolation while my father and sister still went to work. If my mom has the COVID that means at least one of them brought it home and wasn't symptomatic. And if my mom is sick then that definitely means my dad was infected too since they sleep together. He complained about chest pains but is still walking about just fine. He is getting antibiotics anyway just in case. Luckily him and my sister are blood type O which seems to have a small resistance to the disease. As for me, who the hell knows.

If family is representative of the possible COVID infection pattern that means the 957,000 recorded cases are a lot higher. Can you imagine if there are 4 million or about 1.5% of Americans already infected? Wild stuff.
I wish you and your family the best of health. Cuomo said today, that based on the antibody testing being done, 25% of NYC has already had COVID. That's about 2.2 million people just in NYC alone.
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Not sure if the WHO announcement on people not gaining immunity and antibody testing being pointless has any validity.
If it did I don't see how China would have seen any dropoff in cases, it would be going round and round.
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KEN-JENNINGS
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the WHO never said people were not gaining immunity and that antibody testing is pointless. What they said was that there is no proof of immunity. There's a difference.

I don't think any responsible health organization would downplay the importance of testing, both for the virus itself and for antibodies. You can't begin to understand the scope of a pandemic without reliably being able to track infections.

I question how you are having such difficulty understanding that China implemented policies that directly impacted the transmission rate - sealing people in, creating tracking apps, extensive temperature testing, curfews, etc. These are proven steps a society can take (and in some cases, SHOULD take) in retarding the infection rate of a highly transmissible virus.

You don't understand how checking temperatures at entrances of hotels, apartment buildings, grocery stores, train stations, pretty much any common area where people traverse will lead to less infections?

China is full of shit - their numbers are no doubt cooked. That doesn't mean that everything they are doing is wrong. They are doing exactly what Jay is advocating for the US to do - funneling good science through the magical prism of politics. In China, it leads to a "CPC did it, coming together to defeat the foe is the (Han) Chinese Way!". In the US it leads to people whispering about the real intentions of recommending bleach enemas and marching on city halls to "take our rights back" because Becky can't get her nails done, and wondering why BIG VACCINE is taking so long to come out with a solution that inevitably will give you autism/implant a microchip for use later when they wake you up to be a grunt in the NWO uprising.

There were over 40K people that showed up to a local beach on Friday. The OC Supervisors, in their infinite wisdom, closed down the parking lots but didn't close the beaches down. The initial reports were that the beach goers were all "out of towners" from LA and SD, since those local governments actually did issue orders to close the beach. But that's just people that don't want to accept that there are assholes.
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

the WHO never said people were not gaining immunity and that antibody testing is pointless. What they said was that there is no proof of immunity. There's a difference.

I don't think any responsible health organization would downplay the importance of testing, both for the virus itself and for antibodies. You can't begin to understand the scope of a pandemic without reliably being able to track infections.

I question how you are having such difficulty understanding that China implemented policies that directly impacted the transmission rate - sealing people in, creating tracking apps, extensive temperature testing, curfews, etc. These are proven steps a society can take (and in some cases, SHOULD take) in retarding the infection rate of a highly transmissible virus.

You don't understand how checking temperatures at entrances of hotels, apartment buildings, grocery stores, train stations, pretty much any common area where people traverse will lead to less infections?

China is full of shit - their numbers are no doubt cooked. That doesn't mean that everything they are doing is wrong. They are doing exactly what Jay is advocating for the US to do - funneling good science through the magical prism of politics. In China, it leads to a "CPC did it, coming together to defeat the foe is the (Han) Chinese Way!". In the US it leads to people whispering about the real intentions of recommending bleach enemas and marching on city halls to "take our rights back" because Becky can't get her nails done, and wondering why BIG VACCINE is taking so long to come out with a solution that inevitably will give you autism/implant a microchip for use later when they wake you up to be a grunt in the NWO uprising.

There were over 40K people that showed up to a local beach on Friday. The OC Supervisors, in their infinite wisdom, closed down the parking lots but didn't close the beaches down. The initial reports were that the beach goers were all "out of towners" from LA and SD, since those local governments actually did issue orders to close the beach. But that's just people that don't want to accept that there are assholes.
i went to the beach and it was pretty bad but u have to know that a lot of ppl need reprieve from the heat. there's still people in LA that either don't have AC or can't afford to use it.

i purposefully avoided going to newport cause i knew OC beaches were gonna be the worst, too close to LA and all the other ppl in socal. i went up north to carpinteria (santa barbara area) thinking it would be a lot less crowded than LA and even ventura for that matter but it was still bad. fucking ppl everywhere with tarps set up etc even though they the county said no lounging around. big groups of people and u could tell for sure many were not families quarantined together. no way like 10 young adults live together. all it takes is one of these people to have it and they just spread it to their friends and their families and wherever else they traveled from.

if this lockdown gets extended again cause of an increase in cases then i guess we can blame a lot of these ppl.
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SuperJail Warden
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Again I am sorry for Reddit links but here is a video from the California protest

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout … for_hours/
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uziq
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these people are as stupid as they are ultimately because of the gross inequalities you let exist -- nay, encourage -- in american society. a lack of education and hysteria of this sort are connected to the level of wealth spent and invested in the public weal. people drop behind first culturally, in denigrating 'elite' interests, hobbies, the arts, etc as pretentious and 'coastal culture', but sure enough they eventually start to discredit expertise of all kinds and become mistrustful and essentially stupid.

like the incestuous crystal-meth addicts of the rust-belt, these are people your society has left behind. you can't attribute everything to a strictly darwinistic evaluation of individual intelligence or aptitude, or a vaguely christian-lapsarian sense of 'individual will' and 'individual choice'. a lot of it is structural. poverty comes in many forms.
SuperJail Warden
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I don't think these people are the poor of America. These are mostly middle class white people. Their behavior has more to do with decades of media and political encouragement of "middle class values", "small business entrepreneurs", "real America", and "middle America". They think they know better than everyone else because they have been told their whole lives they are better than everyone else.
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uziq
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they look petit-bourgeois at best, lower-middle class, probably low on education and other sociological markers of class.

but, yes, you're right that it isn't all poverty or deprivation, of course. there is the arrogance and narrow-mindedness of a certain ideology at work.

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A senior NYC doctor died by suicide after weeks of working on the coronavirus front lines, where her patients suffered heavily 4/28
https://www.businessinsider.com/lorna-b … red-2020-4
  • Dr. Lorna Breen, the medical director of the emergency department at NewYork-Presbyterian Allen Hospital, died by suicide on Sunday.
  • Breen's father, Dr. Phillip C. Breen, told Business Insider she had treated many coronavirus patients and had been shaken by the suffering and death she witnessed on the job.
  • "I want her to be remembered as someone who did everything she could until it killed her," he said.
Related, suicide in health care workers:

Suicide among physicians and health-care workers: A systematic review and meta-analysis 2019 12 12
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6907772/

Suicide among veterinarians in the United States from 1979 through 2015 2019 1 1
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/full/ … .254.1.104
uziq
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america now has  1 million confirmed cases.

brazil and russia, which went hard on downplaying and ignoring the issue, much like america, have now take off like rockets with exponential growth. brazil has surpassed china's death toll and there's no signs of them getting it under control.

meanwhile america seems determined to out-do china's 'evil government' shenanigans, too.

An Iranian scientist who has been pleading for weeks to be released from a US immigration jail due to his fragile health has contracted Covid-19, according to his family and attorneys.

Dr Sirous Asgari, a materials science and engineering professor who spoke out in March about the unsanitary and “inhumane” conditions in detention, was placed in an isolation cell this week inside an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) jail in Louisiana. His lawyers learned on Tuesday that his Covid-19 test was positive.

He and his family are calling for his release to a medical facility where he can receive proper care.

But Ice told Asgari’s lawyers he would only be released to a hospital if he was struggling to breathe, his attorneys said. Bryan Cox, an Ice spokesman, said there were two confirmed Covid-19 cases at Winn but declined to answer specific questions about Asgari.

“It makes sense to send me to the hospital as soon as possible. I don’t trust them at all,” Asgari said in a phone call with The Guardian Tuesday, amid repeated coughing fits.

Asgari’s story sparked international outrage after he spoke about his fears of Covid-19 spreading inside crowded Ice facilities with substandard cleaning practices and a lack of supplies. The professor, who has a history of respiratory problems, was exonerated in a US sanctions trial last year, but Ice has refused to release him or allow him to return to Iran. Iran’s foreign minister recently called for his release, as have some US lawmakers and human rights groups.
i thought detaining people for months with little reason and keeping them in unsanitary hell-holes without adequate medical care was something that, er, iran or china would do?
SuperJail Warden
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If the guy is a political prisoner, why are they letting him use the phone?
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uziq
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if he was exonerated in a trial last year, why is he still in detention in may?
SuperJail Warden
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If he is so good at science, why aren't they forcing him to build a death star?
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Congrats, we achieved 1 Vietnam War's-worth of deaths!
uziq
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projections of deaths in the UK are currently sitting at 45k, which is in the territory of the number killed in the blitz during ww2. by far the biggest civilian casualty number in peacetime.

meanwhile mike pence doesn’t wear a face mask at the mayo clinic. imagine being at one of the world’s best health facilities and not observing basic fucking prevention measures at this point.
SuperJail Warden
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Mike Pence is attempting to assassinate Trump with the COVID in his body.
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He's not exactly the sharpest knife

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uziq wrote:

projections of deaths in the UK are currently sitting at 45k, which is in the territory of the number killed in the blitz during ww2. by far the biggest civilian casualty number in peacetime.

meanwhile mike pence doesn’t wear a face mask at the mayo clinic. imagine being at one of the world’s best health facilities and not observing basic fucking prevention measures at this point.
For some people it's a point of stubborn pride. For others it's too much of a hassle to wrap their brain around so they choose to ignore it or parrot dismissive quotes from their favorite politicians and pundits.

"We gotta all go back to work now or everyone will be homeless!"
"Should we use this country's vast resources to make more tests so we can run them on people who might be asymptomatic but contagious before sending them back to work?"
*fluster fluster fluster* "They don't work anyway!"

eeegh

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