You can manage a pandemic this way
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-25/ … s/12088348
https://www.health.gov.au/news/australi … april-2020
https://www.pm.gov.au/media/update-coro … res-160420
Or you can rely on the logic of an orange clown with Alzheimers
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-25/ … s/12088348
https://www.health.gov.au/news/australi … april-2020
https://www.pm.gov.au/media/update-coro … res-160420
Or you can rely on the logic of an orange clown with Alzheimers
Last edited by Dilbert_X (2020-04-18 02:46:31)
Fuck Israel
it’s astonishing how much jay goes on about the public health people having ‘no plan’. they have stated their needs, based on plenty of global examples, again and again.
when will jay admit his grievously misjudged thinking? when 10,000s die a day? when the infection rate accelerates to a new peak and millions of americans are showing up on hospital tests? it’s taken him 80 pages of forum discussion to start blathering on about how vaccines are pointless – which is news to the scientific community. now he’s spluttering about herd immunity, a strategy which the UK govt recanted and admitted was wrong, much to our cost as our death toll races ahead of our european neighbours.
may and june this thing will go critical.
meanwhile his ‘wise guy’ who is ‘certainly listening to his own experts’ is about to press ahead with another turn of the screw in his incomprehensible fuckup. opening back up the country with little strategy or adequate preparation.This isn’t a plan, it’s barely a powerpoint,” spluttered Ron Klain on Twitter. Klain, the US government’s Ebola tsar during the last health crisis to test the White House, in 2014, said the proposals contained “no provision to ramp up testing, no standard on levels of disease before opening, no protections for workers or customers”.
this goes so far beyond partisan politics. it is a basic and total vacuum of leadership. it’s a tragedy that the nation who have elected the ‘tired of experts’ administration is now being impacted with a crisis on the scale of a war. except, america can’t fight this thing like a war, in which they rely on their superior firepower and technology to annihilate goat farmers (wonder who developed the missiles and drones if not experts?). this time they’re found wanting experts of a different kind – and they don’t want to know.Now that the US is contemplating a shift into the second phase of the crisis – tentative reopening of the economy – scientists and public health officials are agreed that three pillars need to be put into place to manage the transition safely. They are: mass testing to identify those who are infected, contact tracing to isolate other people who may have caught Covid-19 from them, and personal protective equipment (PPE) to shield frontline healthcare workers from any flare-up.
A chorus of expert voices has also begun to be heard warning that those three essential pillars remain in critically short supply throughout the US. Less than a month after the Guardian’s exploration of the missing six weeks, the chilling recognition is dawning that the country is heading for a second massive failure of governance under Trump, this time on an even bigger scale.
Unless testing capability is dramatically ramped up and a giant army of health workers assembled to trace the contacts of those infected – right now – the consequences could be devastating.
when will jay admit his grievously misjudged thinking? when 10,000s die a day? when the infection rate accelerates to a new peak and millions of americans are showing up on hospital tests? it’s taken him 80 pages of forum discussion to start blathering on about how vaccines are pointless – which is news to the scientific community. now he’s spluttering about herd immunity, a strategy which the UK govt recanted and admitted was wrong, much to our cost as our death toll races ahead of our european neighbours.
may and june this thing will go critical.
Last edited by uziq (2020-04-18 06:49:02)
You do realize that governors play politics, yes? Just a few short years ago it was Cuomo that blew up the Trump Foundation and his shitty Truml University. There has always been animosity.Larssen wrote:
The executive powers of your president, the institutes and budget at his disposal are far beyond anything the EU is. The EU is powerful, but has limited to no executive powers that can only be deployed through unanimous consensus among member states.Jay wrote:
I don't care about the president. I care about what my governor is doing. We have a federal system of government. The actions taken by my state have more impact on my day-to-day life than the federal government ever does. This is how our country was designed. It's not the president's job to organize ventilators. That was supposed to be done at the state level many years ago.Larssen wrote:
Here's your state governor divulging that your president is leaving him out to dry to organise an international supply chain for testing kits, that your president seems blissfully unaware of the contents of reports issued by his federal agencies and that your president was in fact woefully unprepared when it came to organising ventilator stockpiles or logistics. Creating chaos even. Doesn't even know the basics of the relationship between himself and governors either. Now Trump is also insulting the guy on twitter during a press conference.
I have no words.
In Europe, is every country responsible for it's own response or is the EU government responsible? Do you all point the finger at the EU for dropping the ball? You've set up a similar form of government to ours, why would you have different expectations? Our president is relatively powerless, no matter how much people like to project onto the office.
So no, the expectations are different as the situation cannot be compared. We do expect some manner of coordination at an EU level, but nothing resembling what would be possible in the US.
Your guy is sitting on your country's top data science teams, has an entire intelligence community at his disposal, a mountain of funds and a lot of powers concentrated in his office. There's no need to become personally involved in crisis management at a state level, but there is every reason for him to act in a coordinating manner at the US level. To do what he can to ensure domestic production of testing kits and protective equipment, to arrange international supplies if domestic stockpiles are insufficient, to timely deliver relevant info to states in the form of data models and scenario's, to mobilise if need be that gigantic military of yours to help crisis relief, to devise ways to stem the spread, he could even act as chair in meetings between governors to assist in coordinating their states opening up and to immediately be aware of/act on problems beyond state-level.
These are all national level problems. There is an enormous role he could play and as you now know he either barely does some of the above stuff or not at all. What kind of leader are you if your governors end up openly lambasting you, are even in conflict with you as president? This is not about partisan divides but the president not even understanding the very basics of his role and abilities in your federal government. THAT is the real on-going farce Jay. 10x more people now died than did in 9/11 and you still don't hold that piece of shit to account because he would somehow be good for what exactly? The economy? He demonstrably can't even fucking read the numbers and projections his federal agencies come up with in their reports, what makes you believe he even understands global economics??? He's dumb as a brick, same colour too.
Yes, Trump took the bravado tack, but this pandemic isn't his personal fault. There's a lot of blame for everyone to share in. You really need to spend less time with your biased news sources.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
you seem to not understand the concept of leadership and responsibility in public roles.
Yes, its not Trump's fault, Daddy should come fix the booboo for him.
Fuck Israel
jay's theory of federal government: there when i want it for something, non-existent when tough decisions are to be made.
We should go for herd immunity, let the virus surge, it'll be fine.
When Jay's kid breaks an arm tripping over the lumber for his deck and can't be seen for a week I'm sure there'll be a sudden change in view.
"Gardummit ahm an uhmuhrican wore heeroo an ah pays mah taxes"
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52336388Coronavirus: Japan doctors warn of health system 'break down' as cases surge
Doctors in Japan have warned that the country's medical system could collapse amid a wave of new coronavirus cases.
Emergency rooms have been unable to treat some patients with serious health conditions due to the extra burden caused by the virus, officials say.
One ambulance carrying a patient with coronavirus symptoms was turned away by 80 hospitals before he could be seen.
When Jay's kid breaks an arm tripping over the lumber for his deck and can't be seen for a week I'm sure there'll be a sudden change in view.
"Gardummit ahm an uhmuhrican wore heeroo an ah pays mah taxes"
Last edited by Dilbert_X (2020-04-18 05:56:56)
Fuck Israel
and he still goes on criticising healthcare workers as if they are a self-interested bunch of profiteers. ‘being held ransom by a guild’. who cares if the hospitals are run ragged for months and months? it’s better to sacrifice our frontline medical staff than the economy!
meanwhile the people complaining are working 14 hour shifts, dealing with hundreds of deaths a day sometimes in their care. they have no resources. worse, they are not even supplied with basic protective equipment. they are endangering their patients and themselves/their families. jay is tired of cowards whining though! being stuck at home is hell!
meanwhile the people complaining are working 14 hour shifts, dealing with hundreds of deaths a day sometimes in their care. they have no resources. worse, they are not even supplied with basic protective equipment. they are endangering their patients and themselves/their families. jay is tired of cowards whining though! being stuck at home is hell!
Last edited by uziq (2020-04-18 06:53:34)
Soldiers don't need body armour
Cowards
Cowards
Fuck Israel
the history books aren’t going to remember all this one-upmanship between cuomo and trump, petty ongoing rivalries spilling out into the open.
in 50 years time, the record is going to coolly state that, in the midst of a spiralling and uncontained pandemic, the president of the united states interrupted state press conferences, and together with his cronies funded and encouraged people to storm state capitols with AR4s and AK-47s.
in 50 years time, the record is going to coolly state that, in the midst of a spiralling and uncontained pandemic, the president of the united states interrupted state press conferences, and together with his cronies funded and encouraged people to storm state capitols with AR4s and AK-47s.
the behaviour of the american populist right seems to be: 'those liberals and elites think they're so smart huh? and think we're so stupid? well we'll SHOW THEM stupid!'
It's interesting how a lot of places are planning for re-opening things in early May, that is to say, roughly two weeks from all these protests and gatherings. This thing is gonna go on for so fucking long because these idiots were told to change their opinion to now think public health measures are tyranny.
Canada is already making plans for a virtual Canada Day (July 1). There's even talk that kids won't be back in school in September. It's seen as being too risky, and the virtual classrooms aren't the dumpster fires everyone thought they'd be. Not ideal, but kids seem to be doing ok.
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
i mean, schoolchildren today were raised with iPads as virtual babysitters. online learning won't be a cinch for them.
Last edited by uziq (2020-04-18 08:43:51)
I get to deal with these kinds of day drinkers from time to time irl. Language like a hateful, dismissive utterance of "fuck the epidemiologists, they're in bed with the deep state out to take your money and freedom. They don't care about you!" Fun stuff.uziq wrote:
jay both simultaneously ignores and dismisses experts and then deplores the government when they don't act quick enough on expert advice.
It's actually kind of eerie seeing it on BF2S.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
known expert on everything, bill maher.
You think everyone that is sick of the quarantine and wants it over votes right wing? It's across the political spectrum. People want answers so they can be hopeful, not continuous doom and gloom and "we need to wait it out until the vaccine in 16 months" you're out of your fucking mind if you think anyone but the least social among us are going to put up with that. People need to see the plan because they need hope. Personally, I would sacrifice every one of you today if it means my kid can start kindergarten like normal in the fall. Bunch of venomous, autistic cretins.uziq wrote:
the behaviour of the american populist right seems to be: 'those liberals and elites think they're so smart huh? and think we're so stupid? well we'll SHOW THEM stupid!'
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
"Venomous." From the guy who told me I wanted to see my parents die so I *checks notes* "wouldn't feel self-conscious about using hand-sanitizer in public.
Dude, you are such an aspburgery piece of shit. Just shut the fuck up already. No one reads your posts and no one respects you. Die in a fire.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
"Venomous." From the guy who told me I wanted to see my parents die so I *checks notes* "wouldn't feel self-conscious about using hand-sanitizer in public.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
"Shut the fuck up already." From the guy who hijacked 80+ pages of the pandemic thread to tell us it was *checks notes* "just the flu."
I liked your deck project, jay. Why do you have to be so hurtful.
Would you rather have 2 pages of circle jerk where everyone is in agreement that the world is going to end and its best if we all just listen to and obey all authority and not complain too much. Oh, and orange man bad. There, I've summed up 80 pages of rebuttals. I'm out, this is a waste of my time.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
"Shut the fuck up already." From the guy who hijacked 80+ pages of the pandemic thread to tell us it was *checks notes* "just the flu."
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Orange man bad. Yes. That is the gist of everything I've written.
You would've cheered on Nero as he was burning Rome. Wrong side of history Jay.
You would've cheered on Nero as he was burning Rome. Wrong side of history Jay.