BF2S Forums Pandemic thread

uziq wrote:

why would you not believe in 'effective government' when the rest of the world are adopting a strategy that is levelling the curve? when several world governments, from across the spectrum of political ideology, have managed it? authoritarian china and democratic south korea. italy, germany, spain. but you'll still keep blathering about something you read somewhere (definitely not those 18th century originals you keep namedropping) about 'no government being effective'.

hopeless.

Right now, what we're doing is not going to change the ultimate outcome, it's just dragging it out over a longer period of time'

buying time is the entire point you fucking idiot! jesus hernandez christ.

and more unfounded, unscientific blather about mutations. where have you got this latest idea from? not a virologist, that's for sure.

Lowering the curve, sure, but dragging it out over a longer period of time. You still end up with the same number of deaths. The only difference is the hospitals get less overwhelmed. Ok, well at what cost? We're trading everyone elses livelihood so doctors and nurses get an easier time? Since when do we ever let one trade dictate how everyone else lives? We don't.

Last edited by Jay (2020-04-17 06:54:50)

Jay wrote:

Lowering the curve and dragging it out over a longer period of time. You still end up with the same number of deaths. The only difference is the hospitals get less overwhelmed. Ok, well at what cost? We're trading everyone elses livelihood so doctors and nurses get an easier time? Since when do we ever let one trade dictate how everyone else lives? We don't.

You're unhinged, all those neo-con blogs have melted your brain.

Lowering the curve, sure, but dragging it out over a longer period of time. You still end up with the same number of deaths. The only difference is the hospitals get less overwhelmed. Ok, well at what cost

no you do not end up with the same number of deaths. oh my god the idea is VERY simple.

serious cases of coronavirus REQUIRE ventilation. weeks in ICU. ICU beds are limited. ventilators are limited.

if many serious cases develop at once, MANY people will die for LACK of ICU care.

if you drag it out over time, those serious cases can spend the necessary 3-4 weeks in a bed, with a ventilator, and be discharged.

for most young people who develop interstitial pneumonia and a 'severe' case, they require support whilst their healthy body fights off the infection. yes, a certain proportion of the elderly, the sick and the vulnerable will die regardless. but there will be an order of magnitude more 'avoidable deaths'.

it's month 4 of the pandemic and you still haven't grasped this very simple idea yet?

Last edited by uziq (2020-04-17 06:57:50)

Dilbert_X wrote:

Erm, so what are you basing these theories on exactly?

Logic.

uziq wrote:

Lowering the curve, sure, but dragging it out over a longer period of time. You still end up with the same number of deaths. The only difference is the hospitals get less overwhelmed. Ok, well at what cost

no you do not end up with the same number of deaths. oh my god the idea is VERY simple.

serious cases of coronavirus REQUIRE ventilation. weeks in ICU. ICU beds are limited. ventilators are limited.

if many serious cases develop at once, MANY people will die for LACK of ICU care.

if you drag it out over time, those serious cases can spend the necessary 3-4 weeks in a bed, with a ventilator, and be discharged.

for most young people who develop interstitial pneumonia and a 'severe' case, they require support whilst their healthy body fights off the infection. yes, a certain proportion of the elderly, the sick and the vulnerable will die regardless. but there will be an order of magnitude more 'avoidable deaths'.

it's month 4 of the pandemic and you still haven't grasped this very simple idea yet?

Do you understand how to read a parabola?



Compare the red shaded area to the blue shaded area. Do they not fill nearly the same amount of area? In fact, the blue area looks larger to me, but that might just be an optical illusion. Regardless, the only difference between the two paths is that one makes life easier for doctors and nurses and the other makes life easier for everyone else.

Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

Lowering the curve, sure, but dragging it out over a longer period of time. You still end up with the same number of deaths. The only difference is the hospitals get less overwhelmed. Ok, well at what cost

no you do not end up with the same number of deaths. oh my god the idea is VERY simple.

serious cases of coronavirus REQUIRE ventilation. weeks in ICU. ICU beds are limited. ventilators are limited.

if many serious cases develop at once, MANY people will die for LACK of ICU care.

if you drag it out over time, those serious cases can spend the necessary 3-4 weeks in a bed, with a ventilator, and be discharged.

for most young people who develop interstitial pneumonia and a 'severe' case, they require support whilst their healthy body fights off the infection. yes, a certain proportion of the elderly, the sick and the vulnerable will die regardless. but there will be an order of magnitude more 'avoidable deaths'.

it's month 4 of the pandemic and you still haven't grasped this very simple idea yet?

Do you understand how to read a parabola?

Compare the red shaded area to the blue shaded area. Do they not fill nearly the same amount of area? In fact, the blue area looks larger to me, but that might just be an optical illusion. Regardless, the only difference between the two paths is that one makes life easier for doctors and nurses and the other makes life easier for everyone else.

you are literally incurably thick.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Jay wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Erm, so what are you basing these theories on exactly?

Logic.

Logic doesn't take you anywhere without simple knowledge.

You claim to be an engineer but don't know even the basics, you certainly have no knowledge of medicine or epidemiology.

I suggest you start here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beam_(structure)

Oh you. Still upset because I used shorthand for a beams function within my decking system? Do you want to do some statics problems with me for fun? We can Zoom together. It will be a gay old time.

Jay wrote:

Oh you. Still upset because I used shorthand for a beams function within my decking system? Do you want to do some statics problems with me for fun? We can Zoom together.

Its concerning that you don't know what a cantilever or a parabola are.

It will be a gay old time.

Thank you but I did not attend a naval college.

Jay wrote:

Y axis clearly states "# of cases".

And you'll see on the y-axis "Healthcare system capacity"

What do you think happens when the healthcare system capacity is exceeded?

If you install an HVAC system with a rated capacity, then the people who own the building put in too many lights exceeding the capacity of the HVAC system, what happens?

Is it

a) Nothing
b) The building overheats
c) Potato

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2020-04-17 07:10:26)

ah yes, so you've heard. you've read somewhere. a friend's friends' carpenter's husband. we're back to this again.

it's not like there's mountains of data guiding public health policy, or anything.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Jay wrote:

Y axis clearly states "# of cases".

And you'll see on the y-axis "Healthcare system capacity"

What do you think happens when the healthcare system capacity is exceeded?

If you install an HVAC system with a rated capacity, then the people who own the building put in too many lights exceeding the capacity of the HVAC system, what happens?

Is it

a) Nothing
b) The building overheats
c) Potato

Most lights are LED these days. Heat loads are next to nil.

l m AO

haahahah

jay has 'a lot of doctor friends' but simultaneously thinks that hospitals are a 'trade' trying to milk the most out of society. a cabal! a guild! a racket!

good luck when you next get sick, jackie boy!

Last edited by uziq (2020-04-17 07:13:24)