Then why rant about 'the nation's greengrocers and hairdressers' having an opinion on Brexit? In what world is the argument for more political participation directly related to the loss of reason and increase in identitarianism? Oh, people having political affiliation is the problem, ergo we should again elevate politics beyond the reach of those plebeian hairdressers voting for UKIP.uziq wrote:
where have i ever argued to limit democratic participation? i said subscribing to fixed positions and political decrees is a bad thing. you're the one moaning that people aren't 'choosing sides' in an increasingly adversarial and vituperative political scene. i'm not interested in giving myself a convenient label so that you can then initiate 'liberal centrist versus leftist' or whatever-the-fuck catechisms you're taught over there in bog catholic land.Larssen wrote:
World is getting smaller and smaller and you argue to limit democratic participation, great. I'm pretty technocratically inclined but that's a terrible idea.uziq wrote:
i agree, it's so much better when everyone holds strong convictions on topics, like dilbert. for someone who seems hyper-aware of 'the internet' as a shaping force, it's quaint that you keep recycling rorty's antique ideas about edifying exchanges. you'll be citing 'the public sphere' and habermas next!
back to the pandemic, please.
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i also said it wasn't highly contagious. I think that was a solid swing and a miss. It's kinda-sorta highly contagious.uziq wrote:
don’t get excited. i doubt it.
remember when some people here were laughing at KJ for his workplace drills and mask supplies. whew, life comes at you fast.
But are you Catholic? You don't have to be religious to be a Catholic. It's an identity like your ethnicity or race. You get born into it.Larssen wrote:
To the above: I'm not religious.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-31/ … s/12105226uziq wrote:
you just say in the other post that you're an expert in supply chains and manufacturing but then evidently have no idea about how chinese manufacturers are pumping out these things, and to what levels of accountability they have to the local and central state governments. dodgy product is getting made in a hurry -- big wow. why doesn't australia quickly come up with its own supply chain if they're such a trivially produced object and if it's such a giant race-charged issue over there?
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i work with indian suppliers every single day in my job; their work is fine. congrats on belonging to an industry full of cowboys, though.In my long experience you can't trust anything coming out of China or India, you have to test every batch yourself, and multiple parts of every batch.
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But the plebs are too uneducated for their opinion to matter, not that that matters because its not going to be the right one.Larssen wrote:
Then why rant about 'the nation's greengrocers and hairdressers' having an opinion on Brexit? In what world is the argument for more political participation directly related to the loss of reason and increase in identitarianism? Oh, people having political affiliation is the problem, ergo we should again elevate politics beyond the reach of those plebeian hairdressers voting for UKIP.
Identitarianism results directly from a lack of interaction and understanding. Why do you think most anti-immigrant, pro-nationalists can be found in the countryside where there's no brown person to be found. I guess the reason is because jack and tracy developed a political opinion? What?
Also, of course people will form political opinions when the changes in their societies start to impact their daily lives. It's the shift from ignoring politics when times are good to in times of crisis suddenly shocking people into the fact that they're part of a larger whole that's very conducive to populism.
To the above: I'm not religious.
I thought the same, who could have imagined we'd be so stupid.Larssen wrote:
I don't think anyone really expected it to explode as it did so fair enough. I argued with my family that the growth curve in China was already slowing when we still had only 1 or 2 cases. Month later all of Europe shuts down.
Maybe they'll be made to enter the community, submit to local laws, social mores etc.uziq wrote:
people will still be people
They think they're better than me because they're in a cult, if it weren't from that I'd be happy to ignore them.you don't seem to like them much
Medical and defence electronics - yes, what a bunch of rogues.congrats on belonging to an industry full of cowboys, though.
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Flu, just the.he U.S. topped 1,000 coronavirus deaths in a single day for the first time Wednesday, a daily death toll more than double that of two of America's most deadly illnesses – lung cancer and the flu.
Death counts from the virus are difficult to keep up to date, but the Johns Hopkins coronavirus database – whose sources include the World Health Organization, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the European CDC and the National Health Commission of China – shows that the U.S. hit 1,040 cases Wednesday at 10:25 p.m. ET. Since the virus' first appearance in the U.S. in late January, 5,116 people have died and more than 215,000 have been infected.
The previous high mark for a single day in the U.S. was Tuesday, with 504 deaths.
Some researchers say the daily death toll could more than double – to 2,200 or more – by mid-April. That figure would eclipse heart disease, the nation's No. 1 killer with about 1,772 deaths per day, according to the CDC.
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I want to believe this is fake news. Masks would scare the patients? That would be terrifying to me as a patient. Nurse works on person in the next room who you've heard coughing for the past 20 hours, then walks into yours with zero PPE. Like, no offense but stay the heck away from me.My healthcare management wont allow me to wear my own personal protective equipment.
I get steroid infusions due to my underlying health condition. I'm in the high risk group. I get it I'm 23 and look normal and healthy. My hall has 10 patients and 6 are under investigation for coronavirus. They say I cant wear a mask due to other employees wanting to wear masks. And or scaring the patients.
I worry about my nurse assistants as many fall in the high risk groups. I'm saddened to know that my life and theirs mean nothing. I feel like I'm just a body to fill a position. I know it's just one life but it's my life.
Fast forward to today they are allowing one mask per week. After my nursing assistant got admitted to the ICU and is being tested for coronavirus.
there have been similar spikes in other countries’ reporting, too. the UK ONS pointed out yesterday that the death toll was 20-30% higher than officially reported because the authorities conveniently left out 40 or so people one day for no good reason. plus, er, for some reason we are not even counting people who are dying outside of NHS facilities/hospitals. so everyone who dies at home or in a care home isn’t included in the tally. makes sense.Dilbert_X wrote:
So China has just admitted they've had twice as many cases and twice as many deaths as before.
Nice.
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smhJustin Penn, a Pittsburgh voter who calls himself politically independent, favored Joe Biden in a matchup with President Donald Trump until recently. But the president’s performance during the coronavirus outbreak has Penn reconsidering.
“I think he’s handled it pretty well,” he said of the president, whose daily White House appearances Penn catches on Facebook after returning from his job as a bank security guard. “I think he’s tried to keep people calm,” he said. “I know some people don’t think he’s taking it seriously, but I think he’s doing the best with the information he had.”
Although Penn, 40, said he did not vote for Trump, his opinion of the president has improved recently and he very well might back him for a second term.
Across the country, the coronavirus has sickened more than 150,000 people, cost millions their jobs and tanked the stock market. Yet the president’s approval ratings are as high as they have ever been, despite what most agree to be his slow performance dealing with the crisis, as well as his record of falsehoods about the virus, his propensity to push ideas and treatments that contradict expert advice, and his habit of lashing out at governors on the front lines.
While public perceptions are fluid in a crisis, a notable twist in polling at this point is that independents are driving Trump’s bump in approval, and some increased Democratic support is a factor as well. Gallup called that “highly unusual for Trump” in reporting its latest survey, which was released last week and showed Trump’s approval rating at 49%, equal to the best of his presidency.
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It's about giving people a voice and a stake in the direction their country is headed in and making them more aware of and involved in the various views that are present in a democracy. Of course with respect to (constitutional) laws and liberties, so I'm sorry to say but outright racism has no place there. Anyway, allowing the 'uneducated plebs' to express an opinion is integral to the stability of a country (and democracy). The idea that participation matters and the channeling of it through a democratic process, both of educated and uneducated, legitimises government and prevents its estrangement from the people it serves.Dilbert_X wrote:
But the plebs are too uneducated for their opinion to matter, not that that matters because its not going to be the right one.Larssen wrote:
Then why rant about 'the nation's greengrocers and hairdressers' having an opinion on Brexit? In what world is the argument for more political participation directly related to the loss of reason and increase in identitarianism? Oh, people having political affiliation is the problem, ergo we should again elevate politics beyond the reach of those plebeian hairdressers voting for UKIP.
Identitarianism results directly from a lack of interaction and understanding. Why do you think most anti-immigrant, pro-nationalists can be found in the countryside where there's no brown person to be found. I guess the reason is because jack and tracy developed a political opinion? What?
Also, of course people will form political opinions when the changes in their societies start to impact their daily lives. It's the shift from ignoring politics when times are good to in times of crisis suddenly shocking people into the fact that they're part of a larger whole that's very conducive to populism.
To the above: I'm not religious.
As you've pointed out, derpzique ridicules and prescribes treatment for anyone who crosses his path but won't nail his own colours to a mast.
And while ridiculing me for not voting Labor couldn't bring himself to vote Labour. Sad!
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Except it wasn't so much, just another bunch of morons with an agenda.Larssen wrote:
You could say the EU forms a more or less technocratic layer on top of that
Seems someone might have hacked the data, oh well.uziq wrote:
it’s not quite ‘china have 40x as many cases and have staged a massive cover up’, is it?
Which is a pretty low mark.Trump’s approval rating at 49%, equal to the best of his presidency
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52131338The Tablighi Jamaat have come into the spotlight after an event they held in the Indian capital Delhi has spawned a number of Covid-19 clusters across the country. But exactly who is this group and why did they hold a big gathering in Delhi? BBC Hindi's Zubair Ahmed reports.
Christ.SAN PEDRO, LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- An engineer deliberately ran a train off the tracks at high speed near the Port of Los Angeles in an attempt to crash into the USNS Mercy hospital ship, prosecutors say.
The Pacific Harbor Line train derailed Tuesday, running through the end of the track and crashing through barriers, finally coming to rest about 250 yards from the docked naval ship.
Federal prosecutors allege train engineer Eduardo Moreno, 44, of San Pedro intended to hit the ship, saying he thought it was "suspicious" and did not believe "the ship is what they say it's for.'"
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"Something, something, must be loving this shit because of tissue boxes."(CNN)Dr. Anthony Fauci, the country's top medical expert on the coronavirus pandemic and a member of President Donald Trump's coronavirus task force, is facing threats to his personal safety and now requires personal security from law enforcement at all times, including at his home, a source confirms to CNN.
A law enforcement official told CNN that the Department of Health and Human Services Inspector General, the agency's law enforcement arm, asked the US Marshals Service for assistance following threats to Fauci. The Marshals then deputized HHS officers to act as personal security for the doctor.
The Washington Post first reported the threats to Fauci and the increased security.
A source also confirmed to CNN last week the presence of several members of the Washington, DC, Metropolitan Police Department stationed at all times around Fauci's home in the district. The source added the stepped up visible police presence was a response to growing threats to Fauci's safety, though the source of the threats was not identified.
During the White House coronavirus task force briefing with reporters on Wednesday, Fauci was asked whether he or White House coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx, who also serves on the task force, had received threats of any kind or whether they had been assigned a security detail. He said he was not able to answer.
"Anything that has to do with security detail I would have to have you (ask your question) to the inspector general of HHS," he said, referencing the Department of Health and Human Services.
Fauci's response was quickly interrupted by Trump, who stepped up to the podium to say the nation's most visible infectious disease expert doesn't require protection.
"(He) doesn't need security, everybody loves them," said Trump. "Besides that, they'd be in big trouble if they ever attacked."
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I'm actually over it and not contagious anymore. I'll be leaving quarantine permanently on Saturday. Tootles!uziq wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/02/global-coronavirus-infections-near-million-mark-after-near-exponential-growth
i love how wrong jay has been on this entire thing. and so condescending all the while, too. ‘listen, idiot, u don’t know math, viruses being exponential is just stuff for eggheads and their simplistic modelling’.
meanwhile he can’t even respond because he’s laid up in a plague ward dying a death of coronavirus.
