Dilbert_X
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Yeah, 'conservatives' can't conceive of making a mistake themselves.

Seems clear the govt initially prioritised the economy, and their own share portfolios, ahead of the people.
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unnamednewbie13
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I don't think that's universal. Sure you have the "big government = bad, unless Republican government" camp (even if some aren't aware they're in it), but there are a number of self-professed conservatives who dislike any overly authoritarian rule.

@macbeth Really? I see the opposite. Some people reluctant to admit to voting for Trump while fishing for ways to get you to admire the man, or who look back fondly to the halcyon years of Dubya (insisting that historians are all but unanimously pivoting on their heels and now viewing his presidency in a favorable light). Some of his apologists focus on items like this:

GEORGE W. BUSH FINALLY SAYS WHAT HE THINKS ABOUT TRUMP (10/2017)
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10 … nald-trump

During a speech in New York (and in the spirit of Michelle Obama), the younger Bush eviscerated the president without mentioning his name. “We’ve seen nationalism distorted into nativism, forgotten the dynamism that immigration has always brought to America,” Bush said. “We see a fading confidence in the value of free markets and international trade, forgetting that conflict, instability and poverty follow in the wake of protectionism. We’ve seen the return of isolationist sentiments, forgetting that American security is directly threatened by the chaos and despair of distant places.” He went on to denounce “bigotry” and “white supremacy” in any form as “blasphemy against the American creed,” echoing the joint statement he released in the aftermath of the violence in Charlottesville, which the president largely failed to condemn.
"Look at how presidential he is! I miss those days."
SuperJail Warden
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It bothers me that the high school students don't remember the Bush years like I do. It's still recent for me.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
unnamednewbie13
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"Haha Bush, what are you, like 100?"
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

I don't think that's universal. Sure you have the "big government = bad, unless Republican government" camp (even if some aren't aware they're in it), but there are a number of self-professed conservatives who dislike any overly authoritarian rule.
I don't know, there are plenty of people, like Jay, for whom doctrine is everything.

Republicanism can't be wrong, except when it is, in which case its reality which is at fault, obviously.

The only reason Dubya is remembered fondly is because Trump is worse. Had Trump not been a cretin Dubya still would be.
All the work Dubya is doing for the veterans whose crippling he ordered is moot, unfortunately for everyone concerned.
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SuperJail Warden
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Fast food and takeout places are making a killing right now. A lot of long drive through lines. Modern American breadlines = McDonalds drive through
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
Larssen
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I've always thought it's guilt driving W these days. His problem as a president was mostly that he surrounded himself with individuals who were domineering and destructive. Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rice....
SuperJail Warden
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good bye U.K.

https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_1584830371Uvn0HnH2ZeB5RaitR1gj50,w400.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
unnamednewbie13
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Haven't double-checked every last one, but the list sounds accurate:

https://i.imgur.com/x6WAmag.jpg

What was that Cheech said on Ghostbusters 2 while the ghost ship was disembarking? "Better late than never."
SuperJail Warden
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Haven't double-checked every last one, but the list sounds accurate:



What was that Cheech said on Ghostbusters 2 while the ghost ship was disembarking? "Better late than never."
https://twitter.com/jheil/status/1240056993290821640
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
SuperJail Warden
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Since the forum is full of cucks and not real Americans, I decided to record some of the comments from Brietbart to give everyone a fair and balanced view.
https://i.imgur.com/oJ0op0m.png
and
https://i.imgur.com/vX4Y6Ay.png

Last edited by SuperJail Warden (2020-03-22 04:24:14)

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uziq
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

good bye U.K.

for viruses to be exponential is just unrealistic! you're not very good at math and logic, are you bro?

epidemiologists just know too much, that's their problem. they should stop trying to hog the fucking limelight and let a political mouthpiece tell me what's what!
SuperJail Warden
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uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

good bye U.K.

for viruses to be exponential is just unrealistic! you're not very good at math and logic, are you bro?

epidemiologists just know too much, that's their problem. they should stop trying to hog the fucking limelight and let a political mouthpiece tell me what's what!
You just have to trust Trump.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
uziq
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thus far every single thing jay has said has been wrongheaded and quickly unsettled by facts and events.

go back and look how condescendingly he talks to unnamed, larssen, myself. saying i am no good at math or logic, epidemiologists should shut the fuck up, to claim that viral spreads are exponential is unrealistic, etc. it's so impressive. the man is committed to being an idiot.

meanwhile he's going out buying N95 masks for his family and his entire work-a-day life has been disrupted.

cognitive dissonance is impressive, doubly so in the cognitively impaired.
Dilbert_X
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Since when did viruses know how to use maths?

A virus doesn't know what an exponential increase is so how would it know to reproduce that way?

mAkeS nO sEnSe
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SuperJail Warden
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Remember when Mek raged quit bf2s after people kept making fun of his "Japan has this shit on lock" comment?
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
uziq
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what was it in reference to? i remember shit on lock.
unnamednewbie13
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To be fair, I think I also overestimated Japan's ability to manage the Fukushima crisis, if that's what that's about. Not that I expected them to make it as if it never happened.
DesertFox-
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uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

good bye U.K.

for viruses to be exponential is just unrealistic! you're not very good at math and logic, are you bro?

epidemiologists just know too much, that's their problem. they should stop trying to hog the fucking limelight and let a political mouthpiece tell me what's what!
Unironically shared by a "classical liberal" idiot I work with:

Right Wing Podcaster wrote:

How can epidemiologists be the only people entitled to an opinion when there are society-wide ramifications of what they propose? Are epidemiologists also expert social scientists? Are they trained in analyzing trade-offs, and the health effects of the unseen, unanalyzed aspects of the naive suggestions they make (e.g., let's shut everything down and see what happens)?

Are epidemiologists also experts on the international division of labor, and the consequences of its massive disruption? They must have lots of degrees!

People used to condemn the priestly class and the people who listened to it for their "rank superstition." Here is today's priestly class, whom nobody may question.

(DO NOT lecture me about the seriousness of the virus. I've taken enough abuse for insisting that it could be serious. That has nothing to do with my point here.)
uziq
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epidemiology is literally concerned with the social ramifications of disease spread. that's the point of the discipline.

i seriously think most of the scientifically illiterate confuse the virologists and medical researchers working directly on the virus (and a vaccine) and the epidemiologists whose entire discipline is about studying and controlling the spread and distribution of disease. they know precisely that a pandemic has political and economic ramifications. that's why most governments who know their shit (e.g. taiwan, south korea from experience; the UK's cobra committee at least notionally, who rank pandemics as as high-risk an event as terror attacks) retain experts on pandemics.
Larssen
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Well the right wing has spent the better part of the last 2 decades attacking and undermining the scientific community, portraying its recommendations and conclusions as mere opinions. Universities are broadly deemed as 'leftist brainwashing institutions' and academic experts as a product of that environment.

The distrust has been sown so deeply you can expect nothing less. It always starts with dismissal, then denial and more detailed attacks on data interpretation or conspiracy theories, followed by simply ignoring their own past statements when definitely proven false. Repeating this process over and over has created an entire social class which will automatically argue against anyone who speaks or tries to speak with authority on a certain subject.
uziq
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/baldwin/20 … ooO0gNgiBh

if this is true then w o w. the US is sleepwalking into an immense and avoidable clusterfuck. the richest nation on earth isn’t ordering yuuuuuge numbers of ventilators.

i really hope that one small upshot of this coronavirus thing is that the era of ‘fake news’ and ‘post-truth’ will be put to bed. this dumb and tedious populist grandstanding has gone off long enough; nothing like a global pandemic and a virus that doesn’t care about your social media adverts or public relations. chancers like trump who have no business running a state can move on and we can begin to trust in expertise again. maybe. or maybe america really is a fucked project.
Larssen
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Trump will fail but the nativist ideology that facilitated his rise will not be dented. In fact I expect the coronavirus will be brought forward as an argument against globalisation, movement of people and tolerance for other cultures. Fake news only acted as a vehicle to promote that sort of thinking.
uziq
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big concerns in Senate gop ranks about @RandPaul’s positive test for coronavirus and what it means for everyone else.

Rand was in lunches w his colleagues. Jerry Moran said at lunch today that Paul was at the gym this AM swimming.

Paul got the results late this am and left.
got to love libertarians.

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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Larssen wrote:

Well the right wing has spent the better part of the last 2 decades attacking and undermining the scientific community, portraying its recommendations and conclusions as mere opinions.
If its 20 years can this be traced to all the 'scientists' the Neo-cons rolled out to tell us Iraq DEFINITELY had WMDs?
Seems they're now being presented as evil-doers who lied to our pure as driven snow leadership.

Trump will pull a similar stunt 'the scientists didn't warn us enough, and they got it wrong'.

I'm wholly despondent, easy for people to lose trust, it takes 10 times the effort to regain it.

What will happen next is an even more ridiculous populist will make more absurd accusations and promises and so we will spiral into idiocracy.

How can epidemiologists be the only people entitled to an opinion
Yes, my baseless opinion is as valid as your scientifically accepted fact, and hence we have people like Trump, Jay etc.
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