Did you read my post? No. You never do. Waste of my time.uziq wrote:
jay: have you seen what happens when non-engineers are allowed to influence engineering problems? we must stick with experts.
also jay: that computational systems biologist is an idiot. unlike you, i do not worship at the altar of credentials.
can i get your hot take on climate science, john galt?
No, they do not.uziq wrote:
so you think because non-engineers improve interface design, that non-epidemiologists will be the answer to coronavirus?
do you really think the WHO and CDC don't take into account the economic aspect when making their recommendations?
many countries today are reporting their highest single-day death rates, in many cases doubling from the day before (spain, italy, iran).DesertFox- wrote:
It is weird as one must wait and see how things in the U.S. transpire. With the long incubation period and asymptomatic duration, it feels like the virus is "breaking the rules", but of course, in reality there's no reason one should expect it to give us a fighting chance.
so, to rephrase larssen earlier, what do you actually propose?Jay wrote:
No, they do not.uziq wrote:
so you think because non-engineers improve interface design, that non-epidemiologists will be the answer to coronavirus?
do you really think the WHO and CDC don't take into account the economic aspect when making their recommendations?
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funny how dilbert isn't as interested in these stories as he is about scaremongering over maleficent china.German government sources told Reuters on Sunday that the U.S. administration was looking into how it could gain access to a potential vaccine being developed by a German firm, CureVac.
Earlier, the Welt am Sonntag German newspaper reported that U.S. President Donald Trump had offered funds to lure CureVac to the United States, and the German government was making counter-offers to tempt it to stay.
There was no comment immediately available from the U.S. embassy in Berlin when contacted by Reuters over the report.
“The German government is very interested in ensuring that vaccines and active substances against the new coronavirus are also developed in Germany and Europe,” a Health Ministry spokeswoman said, confirming a quote in the newspaper.
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Welt am Sonntag also quoted an unidentified German government source as saying Trump was trying to secure the scientists’ work exclusively, and would do anything to get a vaccine for the United States, “but only for the United States.”
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ … spitalisedNew York City officials advised the U.N. diplomatic community on Saturday that the coronavirus has spread widely through the city and could potentially linger as a threat to the health of residents until as late as September, according to four diplomatic sources.
“Everyone in New York should assume that they have been in contact with COVID 19,” city officials told the foreign delegates,according to a read out of a conference call with New York-based diplomats, which was reviewed by Foreign Policy.
this is already the biggest public health crisis since the spanish flu pandemic, and on track to pretty easily become the biggest public crisis since world war 2. for 15% of a population to require hospitalisation in the space of 12 months is far beyond any casualty level reported by world war 2 (1-2% of the population) -- and far beyond the current resources and capacity of the hospital system. expect widespread requisitions and diversion of business/industry to public health efforts.The coronavirus epidemic in the UK will last until next spring and could lead to 7.9 million people being hospitalised, a secret Public Health England (PHE) briefing for senior NHS officials reveals.
Prof Chris Whitty, the government’s chief medical adviser, has previously described that figure as the worst-case scenario and suggested that the real number would turn out to be less than that. However, the briefing makes clear that four in five of the population “are expected” to contract the virus.
The document says that: “As many as 80% of the population are expected to be infected with Covid-19 in the next 12 months, and up to 15% (7.9 million people) may require hospitalisation.”
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It came out yesterday no?uziq wrote:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-usa/germany-tries-to-stop-us-from-luring-away-firm-seeking-coronavirus-vaccine-idUSKBN2120IVfunny how dilbert isn't as interested in these stories as he is about scaremongering over maleficent china.German government sources told Reuters on Sunday that the U.S. administration was looking into how it could gain access to a potential vaccine being developed by a German firm, CureVac.
Earlier, the Welt am Sonntag German newspaper reported that U.S. President Donald Trump had offered funds to lure CureVac to the United States, and the German government was making counter-offers to tempt it to stay.
There was no comment immediately available from the U.S. embassy in Berlin when contacted by Reuters over the report.
“The German government is very interested in ensuring that vaccines and active substances against the new coronavirus are also developed in Germany and Europe,” a Health Ministry spokeswoman said, confirming a quote in the newspaper.
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Welt am Sonntag also quoted an unidentified German government source as saying Trump was trying to secure the scientists’ work exclusively, and would do anything to get a vaccine for the United States, “but only for the United States.”
Mine isn't I guess Americans are just more sheep-like and panic-prone.Jay wrote:
The news is 24/7 coronavirus. My facebook feed is 24/7 coronavirus.
ironically this is the public health official that fox were cheering during the Ebola crisis.Dilbert_X wrote:
US cases up 12% in day, with a 2% mortality rate, do the maths on that exponential progression.
Jay is the product of decades of Fox etc claiming that because they have an agenda and manipulate and distort information to further it then everyone else must do as well.
Did you have fun in Iraq, hunting down all those WMDs must have kept you busy. But yeah its only 'Liberals' with an agenda who spread panic and over-reaction.
All the CDC and WHO do is present data and an argued extrapolation. Governments can then use it as they like.
If anything the WHO has been much to slow to call this a pandemic.
Meanwhile Aus and NZ are requiring that everyone who enters the country, not just from hotspots, go into 14 days isolation.
Just think, if they'd one that a month ago we'd have practically no infections.
I'm guessing there's little criticism of China at this point because we're almost wholly dependent on them for so many products.
Hopefully when this is done they'll be forced to stop eating bats and pangolins.
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National Center for Health Statistics at the CDC showed that 39.6% of US adults age 20 and older were obese as of 2015-2016 (37.9% for men and 41.1% for women).40 to 50 Dutch corona patients in intensive care units: "More than half are under fifty"
Today, between forty and fifty corona patients are in critical condition on Dutch intensive care units. “More than half of those patients are under fifty years old. It also includes young people. "That says chairman of the Dutch Association for Intensive Care (NVIC) Diederik Gommers, in an interview with this site.
The professor of intensive care medicine, who himself heads the IC of the Rotterdam Erasmus MC, emphasizes that it is not only the elderly who are affected by the corona virus. ,, What has mainly made the news is that older people die faster. This is about 2.5 percent of the entire population, while about 15 percent of the elderly die. But more than half of those patients are under fifty years old. It also includes young people. "
The specialist explains that it also regularly happens with regular flu that younger people end up in intensive care. "You can see that with the flu: those people get severe double-sided pneumonia." In addition, older people also choose not to be treated in intensive care.
A 16-year-old boy from Breda is infected with the coronavirus and is currently in the intensive care unit of the Erasmus MC-Sophia Children's Hospital. His family calls on the whole of the Netherlands: "Wake up and take this virus seriously."
The IC specialist also says that admissions to intensive care because of the Covid-19 virus can take weeks. "In Erasmus there are two patients who have been on respiration for three weeks now. All other patients on the intensive care unit are shorter. "
Dutch doctors have also been informed about patients from Lombardy, Italy, who confirm data that young and relatively healthy people are also affected by the corona virus
The youngest intubated Covid-19 patient is a girl of 16 years old. Two children with Covid-19 were admitted to the pediatric IC for observation, but did not require additional therapy, "the information circulated among Dutch physicians states. The first patient to be ventilated in that Italian region was ventilated for eighteen days, while he was relatively healthy. "It was a 38-year-old, otherwise very healthy man, who ran marathons for this."
Main risk factor for obesity
The average age of all covid-19 ic patients in Lombardy, Italy, was 70 years, according to which "the main risk factor for ic uptake is obesity".
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