but like who? trump? putin? orban? now the muslim leader of indonesia is -- reluctanctly -- being admitted to your little line-up? the a-team?Dilbert_X wrote:
The point is across the world middle of the road conservative leaders see identity politics of all kinds being socially corrosive and leading to more intolerance instead of less.
"It was better when they didn't call themselves gay!"Dilbert_X wrote:
Your arguments about muslims make no sense at all, they weren't really observant muslims if they were partying with you were they?uziq wrote:
we've had this conversation so many times before.
e: i'm gonna redact the casanova stuff. but yes.
"I met a nice jewish girl, she was fine with eating pork, sucking gentile dick and cosplaying as a nazi - seems jews are cool after all"
The point is across the world middle of the road conservative leaders see identity politics of all kinds being socially corrosive and leading to more intolerance instead of less.
Most Muslims are fine and the ones here are pretty Americanized. I am actually pretty find of the Arab students at my school. Most are Coptic but there are Muslims too. It probably helps that a lot of them look Hispanic. The fact that I look Arab probably makes them comfortable around me too. They are overwhelmingly good kids. I really struggle to think of a bad one. The parents are also great people. They seem grateful to be here and I haven't met a mean one yet.uziq wrote:
you'd realise this pretty quickly if you ever met and socialised with a single muslim in your life. it's pretty normal and accepted, even in 'traditional' families, for the young members of the family to have a few years out, being students, growing up. it's much more tolerated with the young men, especially the oldest, than with the daughters, admittedly, but it's a tacit acknowledgment all the same.
I suppose wifeless, childless drug-abusers with no useful role in society have the monopoly on opinion here.uziq wrote:
dilbert the childless, wifeless anti-natalist and misanthrope is very concerned about The Future of Society, y'see.
I think that one applies to you too.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
ooh do me next!
I don't care what gay people do, if they could just keep themselves to themselves and not demand special treatment and constant attention things would be better all round.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
"It was better when they didn't call themselves gay!"
"I liked it better when marginal groups stayed on the margins and accepted their lower social status!"
"I don't like it when I have to acknowledge that gay people exist."
Identity politics is by and large a problem of factionalism. It's a real issue within political science, but let's look at it for what it is, instead of adding a layer of bigotry on top.
the crucial difference is that i'm at the start of the years of family life and continuing society. you're finished, mate. and you're full of spite and bitterness. you must have a lot of time to be so bothered by their 'attention seeking'. seems to me you're one of the main people granting them attention.Dilbert_X wrote:
I suppose wifeless, childless drug-abusers with no useful role in society have the monopoly on opinion here.uziq wrote:
dilbert the childless, wifeless anti-natalist and misanthrope is very concerned about The Future of Society, y'see.
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No, I just don't agree with your weird views.uziq wrote:
you're full of spite and bitterness
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they don't want special treatment dude. They want equal treatment, i.e. not to be ostracized and denied access to the same things you and i enjoy without the glaring eyes of society.Dilbert_X wrote:
I don't care what gay people do, if they could just keep themselves to themselves and not demand special treatment and constant attention things would be better all round.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
"It was better when they didn't call themselves gay!"
"I liked it better when marginal groups stayed on the margins and accepted their lower social status!"
"I don't like it when I have to acknowledge that gay people exist."
Identity politics is by and large a problem of factionalism. It's a real issue within political science, but let's look at it for what it is, instead of adding a layer of bigotry on top.
Otherwise lets give all the same rights to paedophiles, they have more history behind them than gays and transgenders.
Why is it OK for every non-caucasion nation to aggressively protect their race and national identity to the exclusion of all others, and project themselves into other countries, but western nations are expected to dissolve themselves and disappear 'for the greater good'?uziq wrote:
it's almost as if all he really cares about at root is keeping his home country white, rather than any sort of 'lauded' value that the west supposedly holds.
I'm sure paedophiles would like equal treatment too, a safe space they can meet up with kids without fear of getting beaten up, what's obtuse about it?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
they don't want special treatment dude. They want equal treatment, i.e. not to be ostracized and denied access to the same things you and i enjoy without the glaring eyes of society.
Safe spaces were originally gay bars where gay men and women were able to socialize without the fear of getting beat up for doing what hetero people are able to do everywhere.
Stop being obtuse with your gay = pedophile slippery slope fallacy nonsense.
nope.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Would you disappointed if your son came out as a tranny, Uzi?
my weird views, letting gays and trans activists protest for equal legal rights as they see fit. yes, i'm really 'out there'.Dilbert_X wrote:
No, I just don't agree with your weird views.uziq wrote:
you're full of spite and bitterness
i mean, we all already knew that the subtext for 85% of your posts here are tabloid-level 'great replacement theory' stuff. it's just so refreshing to hear you say it, dilbs!Dilbert_X wrote:
Why is it OK for every non-caucasion nation to aggressively protect their race and national identity to the exclusion of all others, and project themselves into other countries, but western nations are expected to dissolve themselves and disappear 'for the greater good'?uziq wrote:
it's almost as if all he really cares about at root is keeping his home country white, rather than any sort of 'lauded' value that the west supposedly holds.
'as they see fit' - there you have it.uziq wrote:
my weird views, letting gays and trans activists protest for equal legal rights as they see fit. yes, i'm really 'out there'.
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so you're saying the west should seek to become more like burma (lol), japan (lol), african developing nations and israel (*chef's kiss*). otherwise their mono-cultures, thousands of miles away, are somehow going to outperform ours. the homogeneity of mozambique is going to have the last laugh over our piebald western petri dish!Dilbert_X wrote:
The question still stands.
China, India, Pakistan, Burma, Israel, Malaysia, Indonesia, Japan, every African country etc are all busy promoting exclusionary mono-cultures, but we're expected to welcome them into our society or be called racists and bigots.
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