I buy a lot of used clothes.
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Some of my longest lasting stuff was from places like Goodwill. As a bonus, occasionally you can find a jackpot of old or out-of-print media. I remember at school, kids found out wearing second-hand clothing was a one-way ticket to endless taunting. So dumb.uziq wrote:
a lot of second hand clothes are vastly better than buying new, disposable trash from the far-east that is (a) terrible for the environment and (b) costing some child his third finger. 'fast fashion' and dead-cheap stuff like ASOS, H&M/Topshop, supermarket brands, etc. are an absolute blight and shouldn't even exist. even poor people like a hundred years ago at least had one set of good clothes that they just wore all the time. people clothing themselves in garish wardrobes of sub-$30 plastics is fucking gross.
what was that huge MLM scheme that was big with unemployed mums in arkansas a few years ago? some huge ponzi scheme that thrived on facebook? i can't recall the name. a bunch of hicks buying in huge wardrobes of plastic clothing, printed tights/leggings, etc. and selling them out of their living room. jesus fuck. i don't think there has ever been an uglier civilisation in the history of mankind than modern america. even fucking serfs in the middle-ages had bespoke tailoring.
Custom fitting has a partially deserved reputation of being staffed by rude, nasty people. I'm sure that discourages some people even if it's not the main cause for people avoiding getting a proper fit.
Also, I remember watching a documentary where runoff from a dye/textiles plant (Indonesia, I think) was polluting all the water downstream and causing no end of health issues, and nothing was really happening about it.
I used to live in a posh area, there was an annual charity sale where we got some amazing stuff, pure wool overcoats for $50 etc.
All but one of my firearms is used, I've bought one new car in total, of our cats one was a stray and the second from the RSPCA, second hand furniture is probably the peak of the value curve.
Got a lot of awesome stuff from deceased estate sales.
All but one of my firearms is used, I've bought one new car in total, of our cats one was a stray and the second from the RSPCA, second hand furniture is probably the peak of the value curve.
Got a lot of awesome stuff from deceased estate sales.
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there’s so many apps now that you don’t need to do the postcode lottery anymore with charity/thrift stores (i used to do this when living in the leafy enclaves of west london; still useful for records and rare books). i know a girl that has pretty much amassed a wardrobe of yves saint laurent designer jackets and suits from the 80s for next to nothing, for instance. every single time she goes out, people want to know what store she got so-and-so from, which would ordinarily be like a $1000+ item. you can get anything in a few finger clicks or app searches.
things i buy new are work shirts and office clothes, shoes, coats, etc. and even then i pay a premium for stuff made in europe and that i’ll keep for years. not really interested in changing style every season.
compare this to the prevailing trend, which has been purposefully cultivated in the fashion industry, of people pretty much continually buying new clothes from ASOS with every paycheque. all air freighted, of course. there are even wildly popular credit apps and store schemes that let people buy tranches of clothing and return 85% of it after trying it on at home. all that being winged back and forth by couriers, for sub-standard clothing that will wear out in about 10 wash cycles. literal insanity.
next to industry and agriculture, it’s obviously fairly trivial. but the fashion industry is one of the most wasteful consumer industries of them all.
things i buy new are work shirts and office clothes, shoes, coats, etc. and even then i pay a premium for stuff made in europe and that i’ll keep for years. not really interested in changing style every season.
compare this to the prevailing trend, which has been purposefully cultivated in the fashion industry, of people pretty much continually buying new clothes from ASOS with every paycheque. all air freighted, of course. there are even wildly popular credit apps and store schemes that let people buy tranches of clothing and return 85% of it after trying it on at home. all that being winged back and forth by couriers, for sub-standard clothing that will wear out in about 10 wash cycles. literal insanity.
next to industry and agriculture, it’s obviously fairly trivial. but the fashion industry is one of the most wasteful consumer industries of them all.
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Sane numbers suggest that it's not nearly the most polluting overall in terms of CO2 emissions (like some "2nd most" articles indicate), but in terms of localized damage, water consumption, and contribution to a throwaway culture I think it should be taken seriously. Not that you aren't.
Not to dismiss online shopping, but in terms of postcode lotteries for purposes other than clothes hunting, sometimes browsing in person is a part of the fun of it for me. I could probably flesh out my collection of old VHSs and cartridges fairly quickly on the internet, but I no longer have space for that rate of growth. And staring at a catalog on the monitor doesn't offer up the same thrill as finding the rare box of Atari titles bulk-priced for cheap (example from 1990s). It's a nice diversion for when I'm already travelling.
Not to dismiss online shopping, but in terms of postcode lotteries for purposes other than clothes hunting, sometimes browsing in person is a part of the fun of it for me. I could probably flesh out my collection of old VHSs and cartridges fairly quickly on the internet, but I no longer have space for that rate of growth. And staring at a catalog on the monitor doesn't offer up the same thrill as finding the rare box of Atari titles bulk-priced for cheap (example from 1990s). It's a nice diversion for when I'm already travelling.
On the interwebz I could buy all the nostalgic toys I couldn't afford, all in their boxes in mint condition in, about 5 minutes, but what would be the point really?
I think the whole nostalgia thing will largely die with the boomers, a generation which looks backwards not forwards.
In 20-30 years '57 Mustangs, signed Babe Ruth baseball gloves and rusty Coca-Cola signs are going to be worthless, the next generation will barely go down that alley.
Having said that I wouldn't mind picking up some Tamiya cars and an Atari VCS, but I can buy better modern stuff for less.
I think the whole nostalgia thing will largely die with the boomers, a generation which looks backwards not forwards.
In 20-30 years '57 Mustangs, signed Babe Ruth baseball gloves and rusty Coca-Cola signs are going to be worthless, the next generation will barely go down that alley.
Having said that I wouldn't mind picking up some Tamiya cars and an Atari VCS, but I can buy better modern stuff for less.
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there will always be specialists that keep the thing going. i mean, your average person isn't much of a philatelist nowadays, but a penny black is still going to buy you a month's rent.
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As to Dilbert's point, I don't think "the whole nostalgia thing" is being primarily driven by the "baby boomer" generation. They're not usually the ones looking for an N64 with a copy of GoldenEye in good condition. Star Wars paraphernalia and special boxes of Super Mario Bros. macaroni weren't the lost childhood of people's boomer parents. People will be collecting ever changing categories of bric-à-brac for many years to come.
I don't think I've met a single baby boomer who owned a rusty Coca-Cola sign. Ate at places with old license plates mounted on the walls, though.
Quick bit on the vinyl comeback:
https://hub.yamaha.com/five-reasons-vin … a-comeback
I don't think I've met a single baby boomer who owned a rusty Coca-Cola sign. Ate at places with old license plates mounted on the walls, though.
Quick bit on the vinyl comeback:
https://hub.yamaha.com/five-reasons-vin … a-comeback
These are the people I'm talking about.
Sure they're nice cars, but $3million plus? in 20 years they'll be worth nothing because the fanbase has died.
Between an obsolete gas-guzzling deathtrap or a modern car I know which I'd rather have.
Sure they're nice cars, but $3million plus? in 20 years they'll be worth nothing because the fanbase has died.
Between an obsolete gas-guzzling deathtrap or a modern car I know which I'd rather have.
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the vinyl 'comeback' is already matured at this point. it's been going for a least 10 years. you can now walk into a (dying) chain store like HMV/virgin and buy a spread of current chart albums as well as the entire 'classics' canon on vinyl. there's very little left to 'revive'.
also, as an aside, lol at how timorously and badly some of those arguments are put in the article. 'better sound quality .... well actually this is a myth but FLAC must be specially sought out (?!?)'. bad.
also, as an aside, lol at how timorously and badly some of those arguments are put in the article. 'better sound quality .... well actually this is a myth but FLAC must be specially sought out (?!?)'. bad.
Yeah it's lazy content considering the source. I think my point is more that it's a thing, rather than specifically making an argument for format preferences. I remember being startled seeing them in chain stores, but here I am years later and it's normal.
It's true that some sources only offer MP3 digitally. Never felt like I've had to look very hard for higher def, though.
It's true that some sources only offer MP3 digitally. Never felt like I've had to look very hard for higher def, though.
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There was an article about how millennials are the nostalgia generation. We throw money at things we were interested in when young but couldn't splurge on.
Magic the Gathering is at an all time profit high due to selling expensive collectables to nostalgic millennials finally with disposable incomes. This has been a thing for me for the past half year.
Magic the Gathering is at an all time profit high due to selling expensive collectables to nostalgic millennials finally with disposable incomes. This has been a thing for me for the past half year.
Are they going to be bidding RAV4s up to $1.2m? I think not.
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You can find tons of rebuilt Ramcharger projects (70s, 80s, 90s). But OK, Dilbert, I'll humor you.. Why is it an efficiency/safety question for you whether you'd drive a 3.5 million dollar 60s classic, or a modern car? Would you really be commuting to your daily job in a garage queen?
If every automobile from the 80s and older were magically snipped from history, collective memory, and existence as a whole, I'm sure people would find something nostalgic to collect. You know, like they already do now.
If every automobile from the 80s and older were magically snipped from history, collective memory, and existence as a whole, I'm sure people would find something nostalgic to collect. You know, like they already do now.
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I noticed that kids today aren't into learning guitar as they were before. DJs and rappers are more widely listened to than bands among the youth. I can see guitar collecting as a dying fad. You have no place to put them, no one cares, and all of the stuff worth anything were bought up by boomers who want to sit on them forever.
i wouldn't mind getting a guitar again, actually. the popularity of the instrument obviously swings with the relative popularity of the genre. rock was 'the' thing for so many decades (with some notable blips and exceptions, like for disco/funk or rave music). i have little sympathy for rock-ist dads who want to talk about led zeppelin and les pauls well into the 2020s.
i sold a bunch of guitars, including a really nice vintage Vox amplifier and a small pedal board. the pedals, if nothing else, are super useful and interesting bits of kit to have around for any sort of music. talking reverbs, delays, pitch shifters/phasers, ring modulators, overdrive/distortion/fuzz etc. really fun to play around with. i think i'll probably pick up a mid-range basic fender or something and play it through DSP emulation rather than buy a giant amplifier again. say what you want about rappers or DJs, you can practice and bump that shit in headphones. a lot of guitar tech involved being played really loud to sound good (tube amplifiers, analogue distortion and harmonics, etc). i really do not miss going to obnoxiously loud, shrill rock gigs and leaving with tinnitus.
i sold a bunch of guitars, including a really nice vintage Vox amplifier and a small pedal board. the pedals, if nothing else, are super useful and interesting bits of kit to have around for any sort of music. talking reverbs, delays, pitch shifters/phasers, ring modulators, overdrive/distortion/fuzz etc. really fun to play around with. i think i'll probably pick up a mid-range basic fender or something and play it through DSP emulation rather than buy a giant amplifier again. say what you want about rappers or DJs, you can practice and bump that shit in headphones. a lot of guitar tech involved being played really loud to sound good (tube amplifiers, analogue distortion and harmonics, etc). i really do not miss going to obnoxiously loud, shrill rock gigs and leaving with tinnitus.
Which would I rather have, a $1m Mclaren or a $1m Ferrari from the 70s? Its academic, but I just don't see people caring, or shelling out a lot of money for a guitar once played by Jimmy Page etc.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
You can find tons of rebuilt Ramcharger projects (70s, 80s, 90s). But OK, Dilbert, I'll humor you.. Why is it an efficiency/safety question for you whether you'd drive a 3.5 million dollar 60s classic, or a modern car? Would you really be commuting to your daily job in a garage queen?
If every automobile from the 80s and older were magically snipped from history, collective memory, and existence as a whole, I'm sure people would find something nostalgic to collect. You know, like they already do now.
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Among other things I already pointed out, let me reiterate my confusion at your going on about stuff like fuel efficiency in million dollar showpieces.
"Whoah, hold up! I'm going to have to dump $30 into gas more often? Darn, batter invest my $3 million in another vehicle."
"Whoah, hold up! I'm going to have to dump $30 into gas more often? Darn, batter invest my $3 million in another vehicle."
Its more that its not the sort of thing people will want to own in the near future, like Nazi memorabilia.
The era of gas-guzzlers is not going to be remembered with fondness, except by boomers.
The era of gas-guzzlers is not going to be remembered with fondness, except by boomers.
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in the year 2200 petrol-heads will basically be seen like steampunks. creepy.
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Nazi memorabilia will always have buyers because 'war is cool' and we all know about the Nazis. Who the hell is Jimmy Page?
Why is everything boomers with you? Boomers and multiple generations of people after boomers have been adversely affected by high gas prices. Why should any of them remember it with any more fondness than the other?Dilbert_X wrote:
Its more that its not the sort of thing people will want to own in the near future, like Nazi memorabilia.
The era of gas-guzzlers is not going to be remembered with fondness, except by boomers.
Growing up in the 80s, people of all ages grumbling at the pump.
And again, someone who spends millions of dollars on collector's cars probably isn't going to care as much about that particular cost of ownership.
Oh yeah man, look at all the boomers here and in the comments.
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The Republican governor of NJ actually made rolling coal illegal. A bill was created in the state Senate after a coal roller blew a bunch of fumes at a Nissan Leaf electric car that was owned by a state senator while on the turnpike.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYPMbLO4pAY
Oh yeah man, look at all the boomers here and in the comments.
Just another example of our state getting it right like our gun laws too.
Once again, its not the oil price, gas-guzzlers are symbolic of a generation the uber-Prius generation wants nothing to do with.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Why is everything boomers with you? Boomers and multiple generations of people after boomers have been adversely affected by high gas prices. Why should any of them remember it with any more fondness than the other?Dilbert_X wrote:
Its more that its not the sort of thing people will want to own in the near future, like Nazi memorabilia.
The era of gas-guzzlers is not going to be remembered with fondness, except by boomers.
Growing up in the 80s, people of all ages grumbling at the pump.
And again, someone who spends millions of dollars on collector's cars probably isn't going to care as much about that particular cost of ownership.
I don't see millenials getting misty-eyed over Dodge Chargers and putting them in their garage as an investment - for a start they'll be living in apartments and won't have garages, for another they'll see it as a shitty investment. For another they'll be as socially affirming as collecting whaling harpoons or slave anklets.
Boomers remember fondly the speed, noise and the power, not the gas prices I expect. Thats the youth they're trying to cling on to.
Yes there'll be throwbacks rolling coal and going to ute musters etc but they'll largely die out or be marginalised.
Having said that there seems to be a disconnect in many people's heads between their environmental aspirations and their actions.
There is also polarisation between people buying ever bigger trucks and others going fully electric.
So lots of bumps in the orad ahead but the boomers will die and the shift will happen.
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