Exactly, I'd assumed your pouting over Brexit was the former.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
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You're obsessed with me. I dig it. No butt stuff though.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
the EU will fail because there's no chaos, no competition, no risk taking.
WhY dOeSnT tHe EU iNnOvAtE!!??
Jay has many insights into the world, what with his time in his 20s in the Army and....living in NY?
You're like a bootlicking libertarian version of a tarot card reader. What does it mean when we are on the cusp between XOM and TSLA?
Why is it Europeans are so against Britons having their own identity? Does it give them a painful reminder that without Britain and its forthright nationalism they'd still all be slaves to the Third Reich?Larssen wrote:
The UK leaving the EU is, to me, in every conceivable way a step backwards. It has thrown itself into a position of competition with the EU and it will ironically be forced to accept an even more subservient role despite the Brexiteer's dream of a 'new UK going its own way'. I do see the UK trying to be some sort of tax haven in the future and I do foresee a collision on these sorts of subjects with the EU, in which the UK will invariably lose. In a world that's only becoming smaller it was the nostalgic nationalists that threw your chance of shaping that movement to the wayside to preserve their weirdly idealised fantasy image of the UK & whatever they think a 'British person' is.
Lol OK, America is one of the most conservative places in the world, people still think a gun created in 1911, a motorbike created in the 1920s and pushrod V8s can't be surpassed.Jay wrote:
There's no fire, no entrepreneurship, no risk taking, because it's frowned upon. You're all so obsessed with equality and risk mitigation that you stifle all creativity.
The EU will die. Today or tomorrow or a century from now it will dissolve into irrelevance. Brexit is the chance to roll the dice and embrace the chaos... and maybe just maybe you'll come out ahead, but only if you stop putting the pansy bureaucrats in charge. The world views the UK as a country in which it requires permission and forms signed in triplicate to pass gas. Change that and you might win.
Are we socially conservative? It depends on how you define it. Europe is for the most part, hence the populist backlash sparked by unfettered immigration. Our people are more religious, true, but yours are much more rigid when it comes to social class and obeying social norms. Try jaywalking in Germany and see how many dirty looks you receive.Dilbert_X wrote:
Lol OK, America is one of the most conservative places in the world, people still think a gun created in 1911, a motorbike created in the 1920s and pushrod V8s can't be surpassed.Jay wrote:
There's no fire, no entrepreneurship, no risk taking, because it's frowned upon. You're all so obsessed with equality and risk mitigation that you stifle all creativity.
The EU will die. Today or tomorrow or a century from now it will dissolve into irrelevance. Brexit is the chance to roll the dice and embrace the chaos... and maybe just maybe you'll come out ahead, but only if you stop putting the pansy bureaucrats in charge. The world views the UK as a country in which it requires permission and forms signed in triplicate to pass gas. Change that and you might win.
Have you even been to England?
You guys need to carry ID to buy beer until you're 35.
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I just don't even know where to begin with this. The EU's existence is an antithesis to conservative thinking. Just what.Jay wrote:
#essays
So much world weary pessimism. Chaos is a path to greatness... or ruin.
Being ultra-conservative and trying to hold on to what you already possess is a slow death. It's the anti-growth path predicated on fear. This is what you've all done by embracing socialistic governments in the first place. They sold you things like a 'social safety net' but what you really got was the slow inexorable decline.
There's no fire, no entrepreneurship, no risk taking, because it's frowned upon. You're all so obsessed with equality and risk mitigation that you stifle all creativity.
The EU will die. Today or tomorrow or a century from now it will dissolve into irrelevance. Brexit is the chance to roll the dice and embrace the chaos... and maybe just maybe you'll come out ahead, but only if you stop putting the pansy bureaucrats in charge. The world views the UK as a country in which it requires permission and forms signed in triplicate to pass gas. Change that and you might win.
Being part of the EU and having a regional / national identity is not mutually exclusive. It's the weirdest of arguments that an international organisation is some sort of existential threat to someone's britishness. The EU won't / can't erase language and culture, I mean one of its motto's is 'united in diversity'.Dilbert_X wrote:
Why is it Europeans are so against Britons having their own identity?
So why do you bring up the issue of "their weirdly idealised fantasy image of the UK & whatever they think a 'British person' is.". Its none of your business really is it?Larssen wrote:
Being part of the EU and having a regional / national identity is not mutually exclusive. It's the weirdest of arguments that an international organisation is some sort of existential threat to someone's britishness. The EU won't / can't erase language and culture, I mean one of its motto's is 'united in diversity'.
I thought we were discussing entrepreneurship, not social conservatism particularly.Jay wrote:
[Are we socially conservative? It depends on how you define it. Europe is for the most part, hence the populist backlash sparked by unfettered immigration. Our people are more religious, true, but yours are much more rigid when it comes to social class and obeying social norms. Try jaywalking in Germany and see how many dirty looks you receive.
I'd say it's rather less conservative to trust your populace with weapons, wouldn't you? Rather more open minded and egalitarian. As long as you haven't broken any major laws you are free to defend yourself. The enlightened path is banning knives and guns and having an all-seeing eye on every light pole? Pass. Try getting a driver's license here too. An eight hour class and a bullshit road test. Off you go.
We live in a country that's mostly free and free from bullshit for the most part. Not perfect, but pretty damn good. I guess it helps when your country was founded on principles that are the exact opposite of those of the totalitarian monarchies of the Old World. Europe lightened up tremendously over time, sure, but the old ways still thrive as much as the caste system in India does.
Yes, we have our fair share of people who worship at the altar of planning and safety and trying to control every outcome so that no one ever has a bad day. They call themselves progressives, or liberals, which is a paradox. But I digress.
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Because that's exactly the problem - they do consider the EU an existential threat to UK identity. Which is the whole point of nationalism, identity politics. We've been over this many times now Dilbert.Dilbert_X wrote:
So why do you bring up the issue of "their weirdly idealised fantasy image of the UK & whatever they think a 'British person' is.". Its none of your business really is it?Larssen wrote:
Being part of the EU and having a regional / national identity is not mutually exclusive. It's the weirdest of arguments that an international organisation is some sort of existential threat to someone's britishness. The EU won't / can't erase language and culture, I mean one of its motto's is 'united in diversity'.
Whenever Britain objected to overreach of the European project the French and Germans would snigger and say "aha, the 'little englanders' are at it again, with their nationalism and refusal to assimilate".
Well fuck them frankly. With Brexit hopefully the worst excesses are now dead and buried.
he’s not held as an intellectual force really, anyway, just a showman in parliament with his ‘public school debating society’ schtick. the entire hard-brexit no-deal ERG really are a bunch of intellectual lightweights: observe someone like mark francoise with his ‘my dad in the war’ posturing and you quickly realise they’re a bunch of failed tabloid journalists in savile row suits.Dilbert_X wrote:
And shows that Rees-Mogg isn't as clever as he thinks he is.
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Thats the way its been perceived for a long time, with plenty of evidence behind it.Larssen wrote:
Internally many parties in the UK have always framed the participation in the EU as one in which the UK is under constant assault, especially by those pesky French and Germans. ... the idea that it is somehow suffering at the whims of a french-german alliance is categorically untrue.
I'll get around to reading the judgement, but it seems there was no hard evidence of malicious or dishonest intent so I don't really see how they came to the judgement.uziq wrote:
prorogation illegal, null and void, rules the supreme court.
the prime minister acted consciously and illegally. he effectively lied to the queen in his duties and use of parliamentary protocol.
nigel farage has, bizarrely, called for dominic cummings, the chief policy wonk and advisor behind all this far-right dictatorial nonsense, to resign. he called it ‘the worst decision ever’. lmao wtf. the brexit far-right will all stab each other in the back as soon as they’re caught out.
quite extraordinary scenes. a more momentous and clear legal ruling than anything in the states over various FBI investigations of wrongdoing and testaments before congress.
shady no-deal fuckers