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uziq
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a woman in the UK was recently released pending a re-trial after a court of appeal considered a lifetime of provocation from her abusive and manipulative husband.

seems like a fair reappraisal to me. forty years of being undermined by a chauvinist pig but the law only previously took the 'malicious intent' and responsibility of the crime itself in the moment of committing the actus reus into account.

your 'gay panic' law seems like an archaic inversion of this: i reserve the right to be killed because of my chauvinism!

why are you so afraid of marginalised groups having access to the same power as you?
Dilbert_X
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I'm not, prescriptive and selective laws are bad laws, if killing someone due to provocation can be justified then a jury should decide on the circumstances, not a politician.

Or we'll have dumb situations where its OK for a woman to kill a man but not vice-versa.
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uziq
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Dilbert_X wrote:

There are multiple systems working with and against each other, multiple systems triggering warnings, pilots don't get the training and updates so when things go wrong they get overloaded.

Glider pilots, apart from the one who got depressed and smacked an airliner into a mountain, usually make the best commercial pilots.
But then companies like Air France buy into the bullshit and conclude pilots don't even need to know how to fly - just manage the various systems and let the plane fly itself.


ouch. somebody dun goofed for sure. disaster for boeing.

'fixed with a software update'. imagine losing your loved ones because of an avoidable error that was patched in a few lines of code. fuck that.

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SuperJail Warden
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How do you guys feel about Facebook? They probably do deserve to be regulated more. But I feel that a lot of hate they get on Reddit and elsewhere has to do with the fact that those people have no friends or people to talk to on Facebook. You know sour grapes and all that.
uziq
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on the contrary, seems to me that the only people really actively using facebook anymore are lonely widows, racist uncles and friendless obsessives.
SuperJail Warden
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Fair enough. My students said that no one uses Facebook from their generation. More on Instagram, Snapchat I think the most?

In any case, the maladjusted social media haters hate all of those too due to being extensions of Facebook.
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Since everyone's parents got on it, it does seem to have been on the downward trajectory. I did always like the format better than Twitter, Instagram, or Snapchat, though. I occasionally still post humorous thoughts, but my newsfeed is uninterestingly full of people's children and pets (which probably can't be blamed on the company). Occasionally, I do still use Messenger for group chatting with my friends.
SuperJail Warden
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I rather see people's kids and pets than clickbait, memes, and politics.
Dilbert_X
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uziq wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

There are multiple systems working with and against each other, multiple systems triggering warnings, pilots don't get the training and updates so when things go wrong they get overloaded.

Glider pilots, apart from the one who got depressed and smacked an airliner into a mountain, usually make the best commercial pilots.
But then companies like Air France buy into the bullshit and conclude pilots don't even need to know how to fly - just manage the various systems and let the plane fly itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2tuKiiznsY

ouch. somebody dun goofed for sure. disaster for boeing.

'fixed with a software update'. imagine losing your loved ones because of an avoidable error that was patched in a few lines of code. fuck that.
Every engineering error is avoidable, either by being designed out or found in testing.

Whoever wrote that code, and whoever approved it, should be going to jail. But most likely they won't as first of all they won't and secondly its likely a plethora of issues which combined to create the problem.

- The aerodynamics affected the sensor in an unexpected way
- The sensor behaved in an unexpected way
- The software was not designed to expect the unexpected
- The plane fell out of the sky

So whose fault is it really?
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DesertFox-
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I shared this article yesterday and got a screed from a former coworker who's now a stay-at-home mom. Within it she said "Last I checked poor people were not the ones stimulating the economy. Suppressing ingenuity and ambition is not an effective way to stimulate an economy. Stealing from people willing to work and giving to those unwilling to work, which is what these politicians are advocating, is immoral."
She always was the rural, "Christian" type, but goddamn---the rich pay a fortune for lobbyists, lawyers, and accountants to keep them wealthy and she's doing it for free.
SuperJail Warden
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I read the article and I have a feeling she didn't and assumed Bill Gates was just shit talking socialism because of the headline.
Dilbert_X
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America is a socialist country, giving free money to the poor doesn't stimulate the economy, stimulating job creation stimulates the economy.

Encouraging companies to move jobs offshore does not stimulate the economy.
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uziq
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https://twitter.com/georgemonbiot/statu … 29665?s=21

could be worse i guess. can’t imagine living in australia where pro-fossil fuel climate-change denialism is still in the political mainstream.
Dilbert_X
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Its in pretty well every country TBH, Australia is a little worse than some, but not all.
https://media.giphy.com/media/HWkZuvTJw95vi/giphy.gif

What are politicians to do when the average consumer doesn't give a shit about the environment?
When the three most popular cars are pickup trucks its pretty clear no-one gives a shit.

https://i.imgur.com/oyxjIgE.png

Yes, this is what you need to take your kids to the kindergarten.
https://d3lp4xedbqa8a5.cloudfront.net/s3/digital-cougar-assets/wheels/2016/03/21/60968/Ford-Ranger-Raptor-front-side.jpg

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uziq
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placing blame on consumers is absolutely asinine. it's entirely within the control of governments to subsidise and incentivise certain forms of consumer behaviour. don't you criticise jay in every thread for his 'the market will fix everything' attitude? but here you are ceding all control to ... the consumer and his/her relation to the market? very weak thinking.

place high-fuel-consumption taxes or high-emission taxes on 4x4 vehicles or diesels and they soon disappear from the roads as most ordinary consumers won't stretch to the extra (and yes, in 90% of cases, entirely unnecessary) expense. instate a licensing or permit system for such vehicles on a needs-based basis, or introduce traffic measures in city centres based on vehicle type, and people soon stop driving and opt for public transport or more eco-friendly vehicles (save me the lecture on electric vehicle production not being eco-friendly; it's not an effort that takes place in a vacuum). there are hundreds of examples of ways that regulation, law and targeted taxation can encourage consumer behaviour.

whilst i agree with you in the main that we are all consuming far too much, and a majority of changes need to come down to lifestyle things for the private individual to make, it is pretty much only governments that can corral that level of collective action. the good thing is that, for perhaps the first time ever, it is becoming an individual private concern and people (that is, the younger generation) in the mainstream discourse are starting to agitate for proper political action to deal with it. but your fatalism about the 'political solution' is pretty funny: a bunch of individuals deciding to go vegan and carry everything around in a hemp tote bag is not going to fix anything (the 1960s called). the main problems are structural and systemic and to do with huge (and powerful) industries. the only way to tackle the energy/oil or food industries is to use politics and collective wherewithal.

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Dilbert_X
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Politicians are elected by the people, they don't get to dictate what people can and can't do, by regulation, law or whatever.
Consumers do vote, apparently.

Taxing petrol and vehicles in Australia would be as suicidal as it would be in America, although as with 'gun rights' there's a steady polarisation between young and old, although again although I'm seeing young people buying monster trucks in droves, and many Walking Dead fans turning up at gun clubs to get their zombie blaster.

Otherwise having worked in the car industry I'm fully aware of all the issues, and I am in fact a vegetarian so there.
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uziq
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politicians are elected by people, and green parties, or parties with ecological policies, are gaining ground around the west. it's a start. plus since when were people directly consulted on every legislative or regulative decision taken by politicians? politicians are elected to make decisions based on the public's interest, not to satisfy a braying and spoilt middle-class segment who want to drive range rovers everywhere. you are making facetious arguments.

as for rednecks and bogans and their big truck culture, at some point someone is going to have to concede that having a 16-wheeler to drive a block to pick up some cornbread and nachos is simply not a feasible lifestyle choice anymore. too bad. i'm sure they can derive their sense of identity from something else.
Jay
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uziq wrote:

politicians are elected by people, and green parties, or parties with ecological policies, are gaining ground around the west. it's a start. plus since when were people directly consulted on every legislative or regulative decision taken by politicians? politicians are elected to make decisions based on the public's interest, not to satisfy a braying and spoilt middle-class segment who want to drive range rovers everywhere. you are making facetious arguments.

as for rednecks and bogans and their big truck culture, at some point someone is going to have to concede that having a 16-wheeler to drive a block to pick up some cornbread and nachos is simply not a feasible lifestyle choice anymore. too bad. i'm sure they can derive their sense of identity from something else.
Did you miss the memo on why there has been a rising populist movement throughout the West over the past decade or so? People are tired of having technocrats dictate their lives. It's why we have Trump and why you ended up with Brexit and why the yellow shirts have been rioting in France. It's why Five Star won in Italy. People are tired of watching celebrities fly around the world in private jets and telling others that they need to upend their lives and pay higher taxes to "save the planet". Frankly, I'm surprised something akin to the yellow vest riots hasn't happened in Germany over their skyrocketing energy costs caused by their mass adoption of solar and wind generation.

Your beliefs are irrational. This is the crux. And this is why people reject what you are peddling. Switching to a "green economy" is no more rational than believing that essential oils will prevent cancer. The efficiencies are too low. The costs are too high. But people are asked to suspend their disbelief and their rational accounting by zealots who have formed a new religion out of belief in this new green world.

As dilbert said in his previous post (probably his best ever), consumers vote and we happen to live in societies where shoving dicta down the throats of voters will be met with scorn, hatred and mass movements. This is a good thing. It means our societies are at least moderately democratic still.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
uziq
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please tell me more how the five star won in italy and its relation to the ecological crisis facing the planet. the five star won in italy because europe didn't do enough to stop brown people from flooding across the med. do you really think french people are anti-fuel tax? they're not. they're against the poor being disproportionately taxed and macron offering huge tax-cuts to bribe the rich to stay in the country: that's a political question, not an ecological one or one about 'dicta'. the french have one of the largest bureaucratic apparatuses in the world and have been perfectly happy with the state taking care of and regulating almost everything else since mitterrand onwards. and yes, of course, germany's right-wing parties are all outraged about ... solar panels and wind generation. that's a pretty fucking hot take, jay. people are tired of being told to put up with wind farms! heil hitler!

my 'beliefs' are irrational? i'm merely linking reports on the mass extinction event we are undergoing. what part of my thinking is irrational? i'm such a zealot. switching to renewable energy is as irrational as believing essential oils cure cancer? are you serious bro? i'm pretty sure cutting back on fossil fuels lowers carbon emissions. on the other hand, smearing oil on your skin won't do much for your rectal cancer.

i don't think i've ever met an adult individual who is as simple as you are. your thinking is always muddled.

thank god we live in democratic societies still where consumers choose! god bless freedom. all the way to our dead planet.

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Jay
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uziq wrote:

please tell me more how the five star won in italy and its relation to the ecological crisis facing the planet. the five star won in italy because europe didn't do enough to stop brown people from flooding across the med. do you really think french people are anti-fuel tax? they're not. they're against the poor being disproportionately taxed and macron offering huge tax-cuts to bribe the rich to stay in the country: that's a political question, not an ecological one or one about 'dicta'. the french have one of the largest bureaucratic apparatuses in the world and have been perfectly happy with the state taking care of and regulating almost everything else since mitterrand onwards. and yes, of course, germany's right-wing parties are all outraged about ... solar panels and wind generation. that's a pretty fucking hot take, jay. people are tired of being told to put up with wind farms! heil hitler!

my 'beliefs' are irrational? i'm merely linking reports on the mass extinction event we are undergoing. what part of my thinking is irrational? i'm such a zealot. switching to renewable energy is as irrational as believing essential oils cure cancer? are you serious bro? i'm pretty sure cutting back on fossil fuels lowers carbon emissions. on the other hand, smearing oil on your skin won't do much for your rectal cancer.

i don't think i've ever met an adult individual who is as simple as you are. your thinking is always muddled.

thank god we live in democratic societies still where consumers choose! god bless freedom. all the way to our dead planet.
Yes, it is completely irrational. Our planet is not dying. It is changing, yes. The amount of time between now and some extinction point in the future can be measured in millenia, not years or decades. We have plenty of time to adapt. The world isn't ending in 2020 or 2012 or 2000 or 1990 no matter what the foretellers have stated in the past. It is nothing more than the same cultish belief system that every generation has espoused about the End Days. Our generation is no more special or likely to see the apocalypse as any other in the history of mankind. Yet the belief persists.

The United States has seen its carbon footprint decrease dramatically in the past twenty years. We have, in fact, done more than any other country on Earth to decrease our footprint, and it has had nearly nothing to do with installing wind farms or solar panels. It's because we made fracking work and swapped our legacy coal fired power plants for natural gas power plants. You get less BTU per pound mass with natural gas but the emissions are lower because you don't spew sulfur into the atmosphere. Even better would be nuclear power because the only real negative is local heat pollution of nearby streams/rivers due to the cooling tower heat transfer. Not perfect, but pretty close.

The modern world uses a lot of energy. From lights to cars to computers to air conditioning etc. we use a lot of power. Power consumption is work is wealth. When you try to limit power consumption either by introducing inefficiencies (solar, wind, taxes etc.) or by strict rationing, what you are doing is destroying wealth. You are purposely making people poorer. And for what? Because you think the End of Days is nigh? That's a tough sell, as it should be. You need to accept the world as it is, that people will not choose to become poorer. That third world countries will not continue to live in poverty if they can help it at all and that they will in fact increase their energy consumption. To make the world a better place we need to accept reality and embrace efficiency gains. Thankfully, the market, which you so despise, has done a wonderful job of this so far. Cars are more efficient, computers are more efficient, lighting is more efficient. Everything is using much less power than it used to and the amount of work done is the same. There has been no wealth destruction to achieve this, quite the opposite in fact.

You're a copy editor, not a scientist or an engineer. Stay in your lane. You sound like every other retard that watched too many Al Gore movies.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
uziq
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lmao 'stay in your lane'. okay jay. you went to a military college and got some technician's degree and work on air con. meanwhile actual scientists are producing actual research at actual universities that speaks to the contrary of your 'irrationalist' argument. you moron. (also, i'm not a copy editor.)

Our generation is no more special or likely to see the apocalypse as any other in the history of mankind. Yet the belief persists.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D59NPYpXkAAPgja.png:large

i was talking about a mass extinction event and climate change, not an 'apocalypse'. which all the data very much points towards.

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Jay
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uziq wrote:

lmao 'stay in your lane'. okay jay. you went to a military college and got some technician's degree and work on air con. meanwhile actual scientists are producing actual research at actual universities that speaks to the contrary of your 'irrationalist' argument. you moron. (also, i'm not a copy editor.)

Our generation is no more special or likely to see the apocalypse as any other in the history of mankind. Yet the belief persists.
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i was talking about a mass extinction event and climate change, not an 'apocalypse'. which all the data very much points towards.
No, I went to an ABET accredited engineering school where I studied mechanical engineering with a specialty in high pressure steam power plant design. I worked as a design engineer for four years designing HVAC systems for buildings. I also spent two years working as an energy engineer where I surveyed buildings and wrote 150 page reports where I studied existing energy usage and prescribed energy conservation measures designed to decrease energy usage and carbon emissions. I am a Professional Engineer with a Certified Energy Manager credential. You studied English Literature.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
uziq
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all that and you think that europe is revolting into populism because people are sick of health and safety regulations and eco-policies.
Jay
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uziq wrote:

all that and you think that europe is revolting into populism because people are sick of health and safety regulations and eco-policies.
They're sick of unelected technocrats.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
uziq
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yes and the only solution to climate change is unelected technocrats. how are these issues indivisible in your head? people just voted for green councillors in the UK in record numbers. elected politicians, not some supernumerary trans-national order.

why are they sick of unelected technocrats? is it because
(a) the EU has foisted an ideologically motivated program of economic austerity on the working people of europe for over a decade; or
(b) solar power

is this really so complicated for you? tackling climate change or ecological issues does not necessarily involve a (supposedly) oppressive, economically unequal political arrangement.

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