he says it's terrorism thing, you know. not religion and, certainly, not race.Donaml J. Trump wrote:
This is not about religion - this is about terror and keeping our country safe. There are over 40 different countries worldwide that are majority Muslim that are not affected by this order. We will again be issuing visas to all countries once we are sure we have reviewed and implemented the most secure policies over the next 90 days.
right. and that's really proportionate. blocking middle-class, educated muslims from re-entering a country they have a green card for. blocking refugees fleeing from sectarian violence and the collapse of their state. yes, let's block these groups because we have such a huge terrorism problem.Shahter wrote:
he says it's terrorism thing, you know. not religion and, certainly, not race.Donaml J. Trump wrote:
This is not about religion - this is about terror and keeping our country safe. There are over 40 different countries worldwide that are majority Muslim that are not affected by this order. We will again be issuing visas to all countries once we are sure we have reviewed and implemented the most secure policies over the next 90 days.
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I'm just being consistent. Remember, I'm neither red team nor blue team. If search worked here I would find a few dozen posts where I complain about Obama’s immigration and war policies. That hasn't changed.uziq wrote:
i think it's pretty weak, if not outwardly dangerous, when you acquiesce in the actions of someone like bannon because you can take away a tiny sliver of sympathy with his view. it's like you acknowledge that they're dictating immigration control on completely racist, horrible grounds, but then you worm some sort of self-justifying reason for it in order to placate your own conscience. that's pretty much how the petit-bourgeoisie have marched in step with fascism every single time it has arisen. just mind your own shop, guard the till like a good little boor, jay.
does it say anywhere that the ban is to specifically target "middle-class, educated muslims"? i don't think so. and they clearly say they are going to start issuing visas again in 90 days, once they implemented whatever it is they are implementing. shouldn't "middle-class, educated muslims" at least wait and see?uziq wrote:
right. and that's really proportionate. blocking middle-class, educated muslims from re-entering a country they have a green card for. blocking refugees fleeing from sectarian violence and the collapse of their state. yes, let's block these groups because we have such a huge terrorism problem.Shahter wrote:
he says it's terrorism thing, you know. not religion and, certainly, not race.Donaml J. Trump wrote:
This is not about religion - this is about terror and keeping our country safe. There are over 40 different countries worldwide that are majority Muslim that are not affected by this order. We will again be issuing visas to all countries once we are sure we have reviewed and implemented the most secure policies over the next 90 days.
terrorist threat is not measured in people killed-per-year's, you know. do you receive intelligence reports trump does? i don't. do you know how many terrorist attacks were prevented since 9/11? i don't.let me remind you: since 9/11, 2 americans per year on average have been killed by islamic-terrorist attacks on the US homeland.
i'm not america, and wouldn't presume to understand their situation. it's pretty horrible, though, i agree.now look at the scale of the humanitarian crisis that america is turning its back on.
no argument here either.consider that america aren't blocking the chief funders and trainers of radical islam, saudi arabia.
i'm just saying, it could really be about that. regardless of what indonesia or whoever "mostly muslim" might have to say about that.yes, it's really about terrorism
Really? Because everything you've written about Trump since the election has been the same parroting of media opinion that I get on my Facebook feed. You're just as caught up in the hysteria as they are. Think critically.uziq wrote:
nobody here is breathless with outrage every time trump opens his mouth. stop using your mong Facebook feed as a straw man for every single argument you make here. you are not interacting with that segment of the population.
i haven't said anything outwardly critical of trump as a person here. i think you get the vulgar little nouveau riche that your vulgar, classless society deserves. i think it's delicious.Jay wrote:
Really? Because everything you've written about Trump since the election has been the same parroting of media opinion that I get on my Facebook feed. You're just as caught up in the hysteria as they are. Think critically.uziq wrote:
nobody here is breathless with outrage every time trump opens his mouth. stop using your mong Facebook feed as a straw man for every single argument you make here. you are not interacting with that segment of the population.
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Our terrorists often turn out to be some early-to-mid 20's white male diagnosed to have a mental illness. We'll see about this one.coke wrote:
Ban Canadian's terrorists the lot of 'em.
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Why would Trump want Assad removed though? He's not going to war with Russia over removing Assad, especially since the only reason we helped the rebellion there was to remove Russia's access to their Mediterranean port. Syria has been a proxy war over that stupid port. If we're now helping each other the issue goes away.Superior Mind wrote:
I wonder. If the Trumpish rhetoric expounds to its fullest potential will we see a dissolution of our ties to Saudi Arabia? Assuming we've achieved energetic sovereignty by razing the American landscape. This would mark, in my opinion, the real potential for a war with totally unexpected outcomes.
All the talk about working together with Russia to take out Da'esh is nonsense. What will happen once they are destroyed and we come back to the point of us wanting Assad removed and Russia wanting him to stay put? What will happen with the Kurds who've been fighting the death cult all along? Back to being smothered by Turkish govt?
What's unclear to me is who do the western powers really want to see take reign of the Middle East?
I can somehow imagine America becoming more like Russia in its alienation from the free world. Eventually doing fucky things like invading Mexico or some other shit.
Doesn't the President have the legal power to restrict immigrants anyway?Superior Mind wrote:
If the ban order is somehow proven to be unlawful then this could have major consequences either for Trump as president or for the further development of an autocratic state.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.
