Jay
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I'd rather vote for Ivanka
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What's funny is by October, she'd actually be eligible age-wise.

But I'm sure her dad making creepy advances wouldn't help her campaign.
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Hillary didn't run on being a woman. If you guys spent any time listening to her interviews or talks and not selected parts of a few campaign speeches, you would see she is a very intelligent person who ran on a campaign of practical solutions.

Here is a recent interview Clinton gave with Erza Klein of the Washington Post. It is pretty heavy on policy. It is only 49 minutes long and I would bet more than any of you have listened to her.
https://soundcloud.com/panoply/hillary- … ry-clinton
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you don't even read the links you provide- what makes you think I believe that you listened to this?

Unfortunately I cannot stand to listen to Hillary SPEAK for fooooourrty five MINUTTEEESSS!  I hate the way she talks and how she speaks publicly.  She's also too power hungry and fake.  You can listen to her and pretend she is going to do what she says all you want, but in my studies and experience, politicians say one thing and do another.  You will probably learn this in 4 years when Hillary is nothing like she promised to you.
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You can't just disregard something someone says because they've said a bunch of other stuff you like. To paraphrase: "don't you someday want to see a woman president of the United States?" "I can't be establishment because I'm a woman."

This is a really slimy angle for Hillary and her ultra-feminist supporters and castrati cattle. That Trump is our alternative is really unfortunate for this country.
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

You can't just disregard something someone says because they've said a bunch of other stuff you like. To paraphrase: "don't you someday want to see a woman president of the United States?" "I can't be establishment because I'm a woman."

This is a really slimy angle for Hillary and her ultra-feminist supporters and castrati cattle. That Trump is our alternative is really unfortunate for this country.
Hmm. Alright, she made a few references to being a girl. Do you have any other complaints about her we can address?


@Ken

I listened to it twice. A week ago and just now. It is produced by Panoply a part of Slate.com.

It is nothing like her campaign speaking. It's just a conversation. If you don't want to listen then fine. But you are being purposefully ignorant by not even attempting to listen to what she has to say. You are acting like a Trump supporter.
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I have heard her talk for 20 years now.  I'm sure she sounds different in daily conversation than she does on the campaign trail - of course.

I have heard what she says.  The difference is that I don't believe a single bit of it, and you do.  It's that simple.
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But you believe Bernie when he talks. The man doesn't even know how to do any of the stuff he wants to.
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remember when we had this conversation before (in this very same thread)?  I mentioned I follow ACTION, you follow WORDS.  That summary still stands and always will until you realize that politicians say anything and promise everything to get elected.  I'll chalk it up to your political naivety and lack of experience.

Hillary was talking about the verizon workers protest- Bernie was in the picket line.  That's a very basic example of what I mean.
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

remember when we had this conversation before (in this very same thread)?  I mentioned I follow ACTION, you follow WORDS.  That summary still stands and always will until you realize that politicians say anything and promise everything to get elected.  I'll chalk it up to your political naivety and lack of experience.

Hillary was talking about the verizon workers protest- Bernie was in the picket line.  That's a very basic example of what I mean.
Their voting records are 93% the same. How much more do you want?
Hillary Rodham Clinton is a liberal Democrat on domestic matters, and Bernie Sanders is a socialist. They voted the same way 93 percent of the time in the two years they shared in the Senate.

In fact, from January 2007 to January 2009, Mrs. Clinton, representing New York, voted with Mr. Sanders about as often as she did with the like-minded Democrats Ron Wyden of Oregon and Barbara Mikulski of Maryland.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/upsho … .html?_r=1

Sanders came out of his 1% congressional office to hang out with some blue collar Verizon workers. Who gives a fuck about a fuck op. Are you this easily impressed. I worked at a soup kitchen once. I'm a man of the people too aren't I?

I think you are obsessed and drank the Bernie kool-aid. Smoke less weed.
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I work at soup kitchens too.  They are run by a charity called Tzu Chi.  You should do more to help the less fortunate.

I enumerated my position re: Bernie clearly a few times.  You keep saying I "drank the bernie kool-aid" as if he's promising something but really wants something different or has nefarious intentions.  That's Hillary, bro.  Bernie has been railing against the same things I have for 10 years on this forum - there's no kool aid to drink.  My worldview regarding capital concentration and power and money is clear and was before Bernie decided to run for president.

YOU are the one who supports probably the most soulless and transparently power hungry politico the US has ever seen.  I'm not going to be regretting my vote in 2 years, but I have a feeling you will.  Fortunately for you I don't care about vengeance so I won't remind you of this fact in 2018.

As an aside, thank you for providing a link to your quotes.  Please keep doing it.
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

You can't just disregard something someone says because they've said a bunch of other stuff you like. To paraphrase: "don't you someday want to see a woman president of the United States?" "I can't be establishment because I'm a woman."

This is a really slimy angle for Hillary and her ultra-feminist supporters and castrati cattle. That Trump is our alternative is really unfortunate for this country.
Hmm. Alright, she made a few references to being a girl. Do you have any other complaints about her we can address?
Can you sidestep this any more gingerly? If Bernie Sanders had made speaking points on how being an old white man made him super-qualified for the presidency, you'd probably take every opportunity to tear into it.

Hillary has further enabled some pretty vitriolic man-hate culture, be it from women or self-loathing men, and I find it difficult to overlook. Go around and ask some people why they support her. You may be surprised at how many tell you "because she's a woman."
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An unhealthy amount of supporters of Clinton and Trump would both tell you they play to vote for x because they aren't y. It doesn't suggest either has strong policy support and is strongly based on those bellyfeels.
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Which are worse, the lies Clinton knows she is telling or the lies Trump believes are the truth?
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uziq wrote:

the last few years has seen the rise of the politics of emotionalism again in the west (which has worked so well in the past). at this point people are voting for the hope/fear candidates: policy doesn't exist. there's a widespread compulsion to vote for change for change's sake. it's amusing to me when educated middle-class liberals react to phenomena like the trump thing with facts, figures, and statistics. it's like trying to argue with the wind. this is a crowd hysteria thing.
He's following Obama's play book. Typical businessman: did market research, found what works, applied it to a different "customer" base. His sycophants react the same way Obama's did/do when presented with facts contrary to their emotion-based positions.

Good times.
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

You can't just disregard something someone says because they've said a bunch of other stuff you like. To paraphrase: "don't you someday want to see a woman president of the United States?" "I can't be establishment because I'm a woman."

This is a really slimy angle for Hillary and her ultra-feminist supporters and castrati cattle. That Trump is our alternative is really unfortunate for this country.
Hmm. Alright, she made a few references to being a girl. Do you have any other complaints about her we can address?
Can you sidestep this any more gingerly? If Bernie Sanders had made speaking points on how being an old white man made him super-qualified for the presidency, you'd probably take every opportunity to tear into it.

Hillary has further enabled some pretty vitriolic man-hate culture, be it from women or self-loathing men, and I find it difficult to overlook. Go around and ask some people why they support her. You may be surprised at how many tell you "because she's a woman."
You are getting hung up over two or three comments about being a woman out of thousands about other things over the course of 26 years? The girl power stuff doesn't resonate with me and I'm not going to defend it but I'm looking past all that and deciding based on substantive issues the same way I'm critical about Bernie when it comes to his policies.

Where do you even come in contact with ultra-feminist? I haven't met one in real life and know they only live on Tumblr. As I said before, do you have any other complaints regarding Clinton that is stopping you from voting for her that we can discuss?
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I don't really see why I should let go of that issue just because you squirm underneath it and want to change topics.
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What is it about a woman president that offends you?

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It doesn't.
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Donald Trump on Wednesday called on Russia to hack Hillary Clinton's email.

"Russia, if you're listening I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press," Trump said during a news conference in Florida.

Shortly after his event ended, Trump repeated his call on Twitter. "If Russia or any other country or person has Hillary Clinton's 33,000 illegally deleted emails, perhaps they should share them with the FBI!" Trump tweeted.

Clinton's campaign said Trump's comments amounted to encouraging "a foreign power to conduct espionage."
"This has to be the first time that a major presidential candidate has actively encouraged a foreign power to conduct espionage against his political opponent," said Hillary for America senior policy adviser Jake Sullivan. "That's not hyperbole, those are just the facts. This has gone from being a matter of curiosity, and a matter of politics, to being a national security issue."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/27/politics/ … index.html

This guy just keeps getting worse. If the Trump campaign has any links to the Russian government, they need to be prosecuted for it.
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Jay
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The Clinton campaign has more ties to the Russian government than he does. How much did Bill Clinton make for his "speeches" while she was SecState?
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If the Hillary campaign has any links to the Saudi government, they need to be prosecuted for it
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

If the Hillary campaign has any links to the Saudi government, they need to be prosecuted for it
You are such a tool. Saudi Arabia didn't hack the DNC and isn't interring with our elections. They are an ally. Russia is the U.S.'s #1 political foe at the moment. Go complain about Clinton elsewhere, BernieBot.
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haha you're being ridiculous.  It's not OK for Trump to have russian influence but it's OK for Hillary to have links to any other foreign entity?  So is your beef that "it's russia" and not that "its fucking ILLEGAL"? 

there's your problem - you selectively apply your distrust/hatred based on the candidate you want to win instead of facts and laws.

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What illegal things has she done with Saudi Arabia? How are they comparable with Trump getting assistance in win this election through illegal Russian influence?
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