Probably in a better place than your critical thinking - where has that gone?Dilbert_X wrote:
All those people in offshore detention - where are they now?
To be fair, they both sound like pretty bad places to be in.
Whatever you say, migrants certainly have the impression that buying a ticket in Indonesia gives them entry to Australia.
And Labor did nothing until they panicked about losing the election.
And Labor did nothing until they panicked about losing the election.
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you people are bitching about 4500?! We get 70,000 a year in just refugees. Christ knows how many work migrants.
No those are 4500 that are asylum seekers arrival by boat. that's not including total numbers. read the graph n00b.SuperJail Warden wrote:
you people are bitching about 4500?! We get 70,000 a year in just refugees. Christ knows how many work migrants.
The peak was ~4,000 a month, annualised that would be 48,000 - our population is less than a tenth of yours.
Doing the maths would you be bitching about 670,000 refugees, walking across the Mexican border every year?
Mexicans are bad enough, how about if the majority of them were muslims?
That was when border controls were moderately strict, if they were slackened off it would be a tidal wave - as Europe is facing.
Doing the maths would you be bitching about 670,000 refugees, walking across the Mexican border every year?
Mexicans are bad enough, how about if the majority of them were muslims?
That was when border controls were moderately strict, if they were slackened off it would be a tidal wave - as Europe is facing.
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lol, they're still coming by boat, only they're not being reported and they're being held in another country - at the cost of $1,200 per person, per day.
To compare, it would cost around $80 per person, per day to house them in Australia.
It's inhumane and uneconomical. But hey, it gets the boga/redneck/xenophobe vote, and that's all that matters, right?
To compare, it would cost around $80 per person, per day to house them in Australia.
It's inhumane and uneconomical. But hey, it gets the boga/redneck/xenophobe vote, and that's all that matters, right?
Ehhh well they're not arriving in Australia which was the entire purpose of the government policy. So they're not exactly lying saying 0 boat arrivals, our Navy has been able to stop people at every opportunity and it has been an effective deterrence, whether the ends justify the means is a whole different story.Jaekus wrote:
lol, they're still coming by boat, only they're not being reported and they're being held in another country - at the cost of $1,200 per person, per day.
To compare, it would cost around $80 per person, per day to house them in Australia.
It's inhumane and uneconomical. But hey, it gets the boga/redneck/xenophobe vote, and that's all that matters, right?
It would actually be A LOT cheaper if we just housed people in aus but nup, gotta win dat dilbert vote.
It's similar to Brazil kicking all the homeless people out of the city and then saying "look, we've fixed homelessness here".
No, its equivalent to Brazil not letting in Somalis and then saying nothing.Jaekus wrote:
It's similar to Brazil kicking all the homeless people out of the city and then saying "look, we've fixed homelessness here".
These people don't have a right to migrate to Australia, in preference to somewhere else, just because they feel like it.
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People aren't coming here because they "feel like it". Don't be so dense.
They are leaving Indonesia because they don't "feel like" being there.
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Those are countries they're fleeing.
They are travelling all the way to indoensia to make a final boat arrival.
But typically they travel through Indonesia.
Why not stay there?
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Pyne and Dutton in trouble but look set to retain their seats. Sharkie takes Mayo from Jamie Briggs for NXT. Doesn't look like Mirabella will return in Indi. Mike Kelly takes back Eden-Monaro, (so either Labor will win or Eden-Monaro will break its bellwether streak.)
Tony Abbott's back. Why? No-one knows.
Hope a few MPs are wearing brown undies.
Looks like the Coalition will be returned, still possibility of a hung parliament. Nick Xenophon looks likely to become kingmaker in a Senate that will probably be even more fractured than it was. So basically more of the same.
Tony Abbott's back. Why? No-one knows.
Hope a few MPs are wearing brown undies.
Looks like the Coalition will be returned, still possibility of a hung parliament. Nick Xenophon looks likely to become kingmaker in a Senate that will probably be even more fractured than it was. So basically more of the same.
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It was totally worth calling an early election.
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Turnbull's error was that he thought the dissatisfaction and frustration with the political class in Australia was because the Government wasn't able to fulfil it's so-called mandate or that it was being obstructed. That's not it at all. That may have been what Turnbull and his colleagues felt but they're not exactly reflective of the mood of the general public. People feel the two major parties don't reflect their views, that they don't listen to them and essentially just do whatever the fuck they want. That's why they elect fractured Senates featuring people with extreme views and that's why they will not elect a Senate that acts as a rubber stamp.
Massive strategic error and the result is massive uncertainty. Kind of funny after the last week's focus by the Coalition on stability and continuity they've worked to orchestrate a massive blow to both.
Massive strategic error and the result is massive uncertainty. Kind of funny after the last week's focus by the Coalition on stability and continuity they've worked to orchestrate a massive blow to both.
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Turnbull's error was wanting total control of both houses, the construction thing was a pretext to dissolve both.
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I think we can both agree that Turnbull made a lot of errors.
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Yes, I think the whole country is agreed on that.
Maybe someone should tell him, because he's still being a dick.
Maybe someone should tell him, because he's still being a dick.
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The recriminations and hand-wringing is a lot of fun to watch. Julie Bishop gave it her best this morning trying to present the Coalition as having run an honourable campaign while Labor cruelly resorted to the gutter tactics of suggesting they wanted to privatise Medicare. My nose bleeds for you Julie. I don't think the Coalition moaning about dirty tactics is going to win many people back on side.
It's not as if "Mediscare" alone is responsible for the Coalition's result but I bet they do regret not being as vicious as they could have been, (or would have been if Tony Abbott was still in charge.)
It's also kind of fun watching Pauline Hanson gallivanting around both smug and self-important and looking furiously flustered as she's required to defend her policies beyond quoting the sort of rubbish that would be discredited with a short search on Snopes. Turnbull has to wear her rise as one of the outcomes of his double dissolution. Hopefully she'll amount to little more than a shrill voice in the background.
It's not as if "Mediscare" alone is responsible for the Coalition's result but I bet they do regret not being as vicious as they could have been, (or would have been if Tony Abbott was still in charge.)
It's also kind of fun watching Pauline Hanson gallivanting around both smug and self-important and looking furiously flustered as she's required to defend her policies beyond quoting the sort of rubbish that would be discredited with a short search on Snopes. Turnbull has to wear her rise as one of the outcomes of his double dissolution. Hopefully she'll amount to little more than a shrill voice in the background.
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It could be a lot of fun.
It could be a lot of fun.
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Somehow I don't think Pauline's forgotten how the LNP treated her last time, I'd say the chance of an LNP-One Nation voting block in the Senate is remote.
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Well, this election has been a symphony of clusterf**ks. Every little thing that could go wrong, did go wrong. Here are just 30 of them:
1. Malcolm Turnbull rolled a first term prime minister despite voters preferring to do that themselves.
2. Turnbull waited until he was too low in the polls to call an election.
3. When he did call an election it was on the basis of two obscure bills that the broader public neither knew nor cared about.
4. It was a double-dissolution, which made it easier for nutbags to get in.
5. It was after Senate voting changes, which made it easier for nutbags to get in.
6. The Coalition’s only real platform was the Budget, which left them nothing to announce during the campaign itself.
7. The centrepiece was a company tax cut and bugger all for ordinary workers.
8. Turnbull said the company tax cuts were the primary driver for “jobs and growth” but they wouldn’t fully come into effect until he’d been elected three times.
9. Bill Shorten made up a story that Medicare would be privatised and that WINTER IS COMING.
10. The Liberals did nothing.
11. Shorten kept going.
12. The Liberals sharted themselves and said they would never outsource Medicare’s stupid old processing system, which could have actually saved Medicare money.
13. Labor robo-called people in the middle of the night, telling them they were all going to die.
14. Labor sent out pretend Medicare text messages to people, telling them they were all going to die.
15. Everyone forgot there was a state called Tasmania.
16. GetUp! did not forget there was a state called Tasmania.
17. The Liberals couldn’t get people to get up and go to fundraisers.
18. The Liberals couldn’t raise any funds because the Prime Minister was too rich.
19. The Liberals couldn’t raise the Prime Minister.
20. Bill Shorten was angry all the time.
21. Voters were angry all the time.
22. Tony Windsor was angry all the time.
23. Barnaby Joyce was stuck fighting Tony Windsor.
24. Malcolm Turnbull will probably win enough seats to remain as Prime Minister.
25. Malcolm Turnbull will not win enough seats to remain as Prime Minister very long.
26. Bill Shorten will probably win enough seats to remain as Opposition Leader.
25. Bill Shorten will not win enough seats to remain as Opposition Leader very long.
26. If Turnbull installs Tony Abbott he will retain the confidence of the party.
27. If Turnbull installs Tony Abbott he will lose the confidence of the public.
28. If Turnbull installs Tony Abbott he will lose his mind.
29. If Shorten sticks around Albo will lose his mind.
30. Pauline Hanson has done quite well.
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1. Malcolm Turnbull rolled a first term prime minister despite voters preferring to do that themselves.
2. Turnbull waited until he was too low in the polls to call an election.
3. When he did call an election it was on the basis of two obscure bills that the broader public neither knew nor cared about.
4. It was a double-dissolution, which made it easier for nutbags to get in.
5. It was after Senate voting changes, which made it easier for nutbags to get in.
6. The Coalition’s only real platform was the Budget, which left them nothing to announce during the campaign itself.
7. The centrepiece was a company tax cut and bugger all for ordinary workers.
8. Turnbull said the company tax cuts were the primary driver for “jobs and growth” but they wouldn’t fully come into effect until he’d been elected three times.
9. Bill Shorten made up a story that Medicare would be privatised and that WINTER IS COMING.
10. The Liberals did nothing.
11. Shorten kept going.
12. The Liberals sharted themselves and said they would never outsource Medicare’s stupid old processing system, which could have actually saved Medicare money.
13. Labor robo-called people in the middle of the night, telling them they were all going to die.
14. Labor sent out pretend Medicare text messages to people, telling them they were all going to die.
15. Everyone forgot there was a state called Tasmania.
16. GetUp! did not forget there was a state called Tasmania.
17. The Liberals couldn’t get people to get up and go to fundraisers.
18. The Liberals couldn’t raise any funds because the Prime Minister was too rich.
19. The Liberals couldn’t raise the Prime Minister.
20. Bill Shorten was angry all the time.
21. Voters were angry all the time.
22. Tony Windsor was angry all the time.
23. Barnaby Joyce was stuck fighting Tony Windsor.
24. Malcolm Turnbull will probably win enough seats to remain as Prime Minister.
25. Malcolm Turnbull will not win enough seats to remain as Prime Minister very long.
26. Bill Shorten will probably win enough seats to remain as Opposition Leader.
25. Bill Shorten will not win enough seats to remain as Opposition Leader very long.
26. If Turnbull installs Tony Abbott he will retain the confidence of the party.
27. If Turnbull installs Tony Abbott he will lose the confidence of the public.
28. If Turnbull installs Tony Abbott he will lose his mind.
29. If Shorten sticks around Albo will lose his mind.
30. Pauline Hanson has done quite well.
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