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2016-06-13 02:19:37

#12776

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|7014|Noizyland

Generally minority groups do get watchdogs because the majority groups tend to either forget them or not fully understand their issues. See also, people with disabilities, various cultures, various age groups, Indigenous people...

Even women generally need dedicated advocates because the vast majority of political representatives are white men of a certain age. Effort is put into this to ensure greater understanding and cohesion.

Also from what I've seen - and I see a lot - gay marriage is a largely background issue. The legalisation side has essentially won the debate and are pretty much left badgering political representatives to make them actually do something. Had Australia just fucking done it as, for instance, NZ did three years ago you wouldn't still be hearing about it. But people seemed to want to fuck around with plebiscites in lieu of actually having to make a decision so here you are with an issue you don't want to deal with dragging on unnecessarily.

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2016-06-13 03:07:45

#12777

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX

Well maybe everyone needs an advocate and special treatment, Australians of Hispanic origin, Adolescents who are bullied because they play Pokémon, LARPers get teased and discriminated against a lot - how many MPs are LARPers, if its none we need positive discrimination, are we going to give muslims and Mormons their civil right to multiple wives? - where do you draw the line?

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2016-06-13 03:42:53

#12778

uziq: Member; +496|3692

I think it's pretty telling that you equate someone's sexuality and a lifetime of discrimination with LARPers being bullied. stop talking dilbert.

2016-06-13 03:45:20

#12779

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX

'Lifetime of discrimination' where do you get this?

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2016-06-13 04:06:57

#12780

uziq: Member; +496|3692

not being able to marry and enjoy the legal and domestic status to which heterosexual couples are entitled is a discrimination. let me know when kids playing Pokemon suffer the same sort of disadvantages.

2016-06-13 04:47:16

#12781

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5597|London, England

Dilbert_X wrote:
Well, in Aus they're agitating furiously for gay marriage, all three political parties are now beholden to ~2% of the population and promising them various kinds of special treatment.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ … p0h2t.html
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/nati … d856be5d8a
http://www.news.com.au/national/south-a … a48eaf2292

Lesbians in schools? Here you go.
http://www.safeschoolscoalition.org.au/
https://www.nswtf.org.au/files/inclusio … policy.pdf

There's bugger all being done for other groups or even the average pupil, the gays have the education system by the balls now and are agitating for special treatment.

How exactly is gay marriage a primary political issue?
Why do gays need their very own 'watchdog'?

Its out of control and people I speak to are sick of hearing it and having time wasted on it.

I didn't take you for a religious fanatic. What harm does allowing marriage equality cause? It's legal here, and the only opposition comes from people spouting Leviticus and condemning sin.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2016-06-13 07:34:46

#12782

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +641|3959

I would be willing to put the amount of gay, curious, open-minded and bisexual people at 10-25%. The term LGBT is pretty loaded and I can see people not wanting to have that attached to their identity or carry the baggage. So gay rights isn't just a fringe 2% issue.

2016-06-13 07:41:14

#12783

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5597|London, England

It's at about 10%

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2016-06-13 07:43:28

#12784

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX

It doesn't cover curious or open minded - that would be you and Ken for a start.

What I object to is fringe groups getting special treatment, when other fringe groups are open targets.
That and they're another selfish bunch, campaigning for their own rights without thinking of anything else, plus they've been in campaign mode for so long its a habit, this won't be the last thing, its a stepping stone to whatever they want next, then the next thing, and so on.

Once they get this civil unions won't be enough, they'll want the govt to force the various religions to accede to it, then hell will break loose.
In the meantime there are actual issues to be dealt with.
You read it here first.

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2016-06-13 07:46:40

#12785

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX

Jay wrote:
It's at about 10%

Nope, that's the figure they've campaigned with, its more like 1-2%
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 … statistics

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2016-06-13 08:41:36

#12786

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5418|Sydney

Back in the day Dilbert would be arguing against women voting or black people getting equal rights. This is just the modern incarnation of people wanting equal rights, and the associated bigotry that comes out of the woodwork.

2016-06-13 08:53:13

#12787

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +641|3959

Dilbert_X wrote:
Jay wrote:
It's at about 10%
Nope, that's the figure they've campaigned with, its more like 1-2%
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 … statistics

Did you even read your link? It reports 8% of men and 16% of women have had a same sex experience. It also mentions that bisexual people are most likely under reported.

2016-06-13 12:52:15

#12788

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|7011|PNW

Dilbert_X wrote:
In the meantime there are actual issues to be dealt with.
You read it here first.

Human rights are an actual issue.

Dilbert_X wrote:
are we going to give muslims and Mormons their civil right to multiple wives? - where do you draw the line?

Slippery slope fallacy. If I had a penny for the amount of times people have brought up polygamy, pedophilia and bestiality when attacking lgbtq rights …

2016-06-13 13:40:17

#12789

uziq: Member; +496|3692

i like how dilbert thinks that once LGBT people have got their ability to marry and be treated as equals, they are somehow 'logically' going to want to abolish religious ceremonies and cultural traditions altogether. like it's letting the barbarians in to sack the city or something. lol.

"well, you know, first they start out wanting to be treated as equals... and the next thing you know they're selling our children to satan! they're going to abolish the teaching of shakespeare in schools! we'll lose numeracy!"

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2016-06-13 17:08:21

#12790

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Human rights are an actual issue.

Slippery slope fallacy. If I had a penny for the amount of times people have brought up polygamy, pedophilia and bestiality when attacking lgbtq rights …

So 'human rights' apply to LGBT but not other groups.

Uziq wrote:
i like how dilbert thinks that once LGBT people have got their ability to marry and be treated as equals, they are somehow 'logically' going to want to abolish religious ceremonies and cultural traditions altogether.

I predict that will be the next step - for any religion which does not accede to their demands.

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2016-06-13 17:27:21

#12791

uziq: Member; +496|3692

i don't understand why you think they have a problem with religion. their political activity engages with that: politics, in the legal-bureaucratic sense mostly. outside of certain religious figures who are gay and trying to enact reform in their own limited and separate ways, i see no concerted effort by LGBT people to 'change' religion. they want equal rights as citizens of modern states, that's all. religion is still ultimately a very private question in the west and i don't think the 'LGBT community' has an agenda there.

2016-06-13 17:38:05

#12792

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX

Not yet, but once they reach the point that the govt says they can marry but various religions say they can't then religion will become the next target for their agitation.

I look forward to seeing the Police standing between the LGBT crowd and mosques and catholic churches, and the muslims getting pissed that they aren't allowed polygamy but have to re-write the Koran to remove all the micro-aggressions.

Its not quite going to lead to civil war but there's going to be trouble.

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2016-06-13 17:44:26

#12793

uziq: Member; +496|3692

people want marriage rights so they can enjoy the legal (and financial) benefits of that. it's a civil arrangement. i think there are very few places (i.e. states where religion and the government are basically the same thing) where 'marriage rights' tramples on explicitly religious grounds. i don't think gay people care all that much about what xyz christian church or islamic theologian says about them. they want to be able to settle and enjoy the life of an ordinary citizen. they're not taking up a crusade against church doctrine.

as to the rest, you sound unhinged.

2016-06-13 18:56:05

#12794

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6956

lol dilbs.

Letting gays being de facto partners are ok, but somehow marriage is a nuisance. k.

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2016-06-13 19:05:07

#12795

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5597|London, England

Jay wrote:
What harm does allowing marriage equality cause?

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2016-06-13 19:52:18

#12796

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX

uziq wrote:
people want marriage rights so they can enjoy the legal (and financial) benefits of that.

I'd like to pay less tax too.

as to the rest, you sound unhinged.

In-your-face homosexuality and radical Islam have collided already, same for radical judasim
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Tel_ … e_shooting

Do you think this is going to get better?

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2016-06-13 19:54:18

#12797

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX

Jay wrote:
Jay wrote:
What harm does allowing marriage equality cause?

Caving in to one special interest group means every other special interest group will want their special interest caved in to.
There's no end in sight for that.

If marriage is a 'right' once why not multiple times? Why the hate for polygamists? Let them spread their tax burden across multiple wives.
For example.

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2016-06-13 19:55:46

#12798

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX

Cybargs wrote:
lol dilbs.

Letting gays being de facto partners are ok, but somehow marriage is a nuisance. k.

Why aren't they satisfied with being de factos? They get practically all the rights of a married couple.

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2016-06-13 20:03:49

#12799

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5597|London, England

Dilbert_X wrote:
Jay wrote:
Jay wrote:
What harm does allowing marriage equality cause?
Caving in to one special interest group means every other special interest group will want their special interest caved in to.
There's no end in sight for that.

If marriage is a 'right' once why not multiple times? Why the hate for polygamists? Let them spread their tax burden across multiple wives.
For example.

No, I'm talking about in this instance. What do you lose? The answer is nothing. It's not zero-sum.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2016-06-13 20:06:26

#12800

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6345|eXtreme to the maX

I'm looking at the bigger picture, not my own selfish interests.

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