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Cybargs wrote:

One of my buddies got obamacare. Dat 13k deductible hahahaha. what a fucking joke. just stops you from being super bankrupted.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

One of my buddies got obamacare. Dat 13k deductible hahahaha. what a fucking joke. just stops you from being super bankrupted.

As opposed to there being nothing to stop you from going super bankrupt before. There are no longer caps on coverage. People with preexisting conditions cannot be denied insurance now. Every insurer have a coverage minimum  standard. Low income workers can get subsidized insurance. Medicaid coverage expanded.

It isn't as good as universal healthcare but it is a step in the right direction and can be built upon towards a total NHS. Many people will be helped.

Ken would say that it passing is a sign that both parties are the same because even though it was a party line vote. Democrats are obviously the same because they couldn't get a full NHS.

Nearly 9 million people gained insurance last year, a win for “Obamacare” as the president’s signature health care law expanded Medicaid and opened health insurance exchanges. And yet, 33 million Americans, 10.4 percent of the U.S. population, still went without health insurance for the entirety of 2014. Millions more were uninsured for at least part of the year.1 New data released this month shows they were disproportionately poor, black and Hispanic; 4.5 million of them were children.

DrunkFace wrote:

Jay wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

no actually my problems with the ACA are well documented here and are typical KEN thoughts - the insurance industry had a huge part in drafting ACA and getting it passed.  It's sticking a piece of gum in a plumbing leak.  A small step in the right direction, but severely watered down after it went through the insurance industry cheese-grater.  There is no bargaining power by the government.  The medical and insurance industry will make record profits.  It is a very expedient solution to a problem that continues to need to be addressed.  I also think it is really really early to gauge the overall success of the plan itself.  I have no problem acknowledging it gave insurance to millions of people.  And I personally benefited from the ACA in the form of lower premium and better overall coverage.

More bread crumbs for the peasants.  Of course you're happy to get them.  Please sir, can i have some more?

They kept the insurance companies in place as the middleman for two reasons: 1) it meant the insurance companies wouldn't lock the government up with decades of lawsuits and 2) it kept a buffer between the plebs and the government. Instead of the government denying claims it's the big bad insurance company. Better politics.

What we have now is essentially a single payer health system with the insurance companies handling customer service for a small profit. All policies are dictated by HHS.

Who gives a fuck if the insurance companies sue the government? The government will win and the claim expenses. As for denying claims... you don't make claims in an NHS you make appointments.

What you have now is a cluster fuck of monopolies charging through the roof with no competition and a law forcing people to sign up.

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Jay wrote:

There can never and never will be a NHS in this country.

DrunkFace wrote:

Jay wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

no actually my problems with the ACA are well documented here and are typical KEN thoughts - the insurance industry had a huge part in drafting ACA and getting it passed.  It's sticking a piece of gum in a plumbing leak.  A small step in the right direction, but severely watered down after it went through the insurance industry cheese-grater.  There is no bargaining power by the government.  The medical and insurance industry will make record profits.  It is a very expedient solution to a problem that continues to need to be addressed.  I also think it is really really early to gauge the overall success of the plan itself.  I have no problem acknowledging it gave insurance to millions of people.  And I personally benefited from the ACA in the form of lower premium and better overall coverage.

More bread crumbs for the peasants.  Of course you're happy to get them.  Please sir, can i have some more?

They kept the insurance companies in place as the middleman for two reasons: 1) it meant the insurance companies wouldn't lock the government up with decades of lawsuits and 2) it kept a buffer between the plebs and the government. Instead of the government denying claims it's the big bad insurance company. Better politics.

What we have now is essentially a single payer health system with the insurance companies handling customer service for a small profit. All policies are dictated by HHS.

Who gives a fuck if the insurance companies sue the government? The government will win and the claim expenses. As for denying claims... you don't make claims in an NHS you make appointments.

What you have now is a cluster fuck of monopolies charging through the roof with no competition and a law forcing people to sign up.

pirana6 wrote:

Ah yes I forgot Gary Johnson.

Man this is going to be a weird 5 months.
The republican party is split completely down the middle... The democratic party like Clinton but few democratic people actually like her...

Jay wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

Who gives a fuck if the insurance companies sue the government? The government will win and the claim expenses. As for denying claims... you don't make claims in an NHS you make appointments.

What you have now is a cluster fuck of monopolies charging through the roof with no competition and a law forcing people to sign up.

Lol insurance suing governments. Jay kinda forgets the fact that governments can bar themselves from any litigation. How have you not heard of sovereign immunity. Congress can easily pass a bill saying 'fuck you insurance, ps were immune from suits kthnxbai'.

NHS best thing in the world, rock up to docs, show them your card and bam bulk billed son.

We have a constitution.

Cybargs wrote:

Jay wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Lol insurance suing governments. Jay kinda forgets the fact that governments can bar themselves from any litigation. How have you not heard of sovereign immunity. Congress can easily pass a bill saying 'fuck you insurance, ps were immune from suits kthnxbai'.

NHS best thing in the world, rock up to docs, show them your card and bam bulk billed son.

We have a constitution.

How do you not realize sovereign immunity exists in the US? They even had to put a statute to limit sovereign immunity in certain cases.

Cybargs wrote:

Jay wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

How do you not realize sovereign immunity exists in the US? They even had to put a statute to limit sovereign immunity in certain cases.

You're stupid. Do you not understand how common law with a supreme court works? I'm not talking about civil suits, I'm talking about constitutional challenges. Nationalizing 10% of our economy and turning millions of people into government employees against the will would not pass constitutional muster.

dude, just wiki sovereign immunity. It's been interpreted through multiple supreme court cases that sovereign immunity exists in both and federal governments. You can't sue a government because they passed legislation affecting business'. Otherwise every single business regulation out there would've been struck out. It is a legal absurdity to think governments can't pass legislation that affects the rights of business' and people.

Having an NHS will pass a constitutional muster. I don't think you understand how NHS works at all. It doesn't force doctors to become public servants, private practice still exists.