I don't expect most people to understand what they are reading either, nor the context. That's why you and I and plenty other students had courses and discussions built around understanding these treatises. I'm an intelligent person and I still regularly buy companion readers for books I read. If you are dedicated to learning and understanding the way the world works and constantly revising your worldview, it'd be great if you have intimate knowledge of the building blocks. There are reasons you learned about and read 150+ year old philosophy - it's because it's still important and relevant today. Simply dismissing it because it's old and there's been a wealth of new ideas and technology and social thought is downright silly. Especially for you as a history major.SuperJail Warden wrote:
I don't expect most people to understand what they are reading let alone the context it was written and it's relationship to other ideas. I would just suggest most people read an article on Stanford's encyclopedia of philosophy and call it a day.
http://plato.stanford.edu/
fuck me that was good. a+KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/shouts-m … departmentDilbert_X wrote:
Nope, in a power vacuum someone takes power, no checks and balances make it easier.Jay wrote:
There is no 'top' as power is pushed down as far as possible. National diplomacy wouldn't be pushed down to town level, but things like educational criteria would be because the people actually impacted should have the chance to voice their opinion.
Honestly I can't tell if you're just ignorant or being an ass, but your constant misrepresentations are tiring. It's really not that difficult. Go read some Mill or Bentham.
Show me a historical example of 'Libertarianism' which hasn't descended into a Lord of the Flies bloodbath or collapsed in on itself. There isn't one.
Its a pipe-dream theory which doesn't work espoused by ignorant and stupid people with no foresight.
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A candidate that encouraged violence and made hate a centerpiece of his campaign was met with violent resistance. Who knew that would happen.Chicago (CNN)Donald Trump's campaign on Friday postponed a rally in Chicago amid fights between supporters and demonstrators, protests in the streets and concerns that the environment at the event was no longer safe.
The announcement, which came amid large protests both inside and outside the event at the University of Illinois at Chicago, follows heightened concerns about violence in general at the GOP front-runner's rallies. Illinois holds its Republican primary on Tuesday.
Hundreds of demonstrators packed into an arena, breaking out into protest even before Trump had shown up. At least five sections in the arena were filled with protesters.
"Mr. Trump just arrived in Chicago, and after meeting with law enforcement, has determined that for the safety of all of the tens of thousands of people that have gathered in and around the arena, tonight's rally will be postponed to another date," the Trump campaign said in a statement. "Thank you very much for your attendance and please go in peace."
Trump is probably going to form some sort of paramilitary group to protect his rallies and supporters. Trump Brown Shirts.
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"Leibstandarte Donald Trump"SuperJail Warden wrote:
Trump is probably going to form some sort of paramilitary group to protect his rallies and supporters. Trump Brown Shirts.
He could recruit people with uniforms and equipment from here: http://www.lssah.net/
Nazi has no meaning anymore with how overused it is.globefish23 wrote:
"Leibstandarte Donald Trump"SuperJail Warden wrote:
Trump is probably going to form some sort of paramilitary group to protect his rallies and supporters. Trump Brown Shirts.
He could recruit people with uniforms and equipment from here: http://www.lssah.net/
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
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Those uniforms are way too classy. I expect something based around a gold American flag and Trump's name
The guy who has posted threads against H1B visas, muslims and immigration accuses Trump of inspiring hate? He's your guy if he's anyones.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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Somebody is going to throw a shoe at this man eventually.
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Video getting passed around conservative sites suggesting Trump deal with the protesters the same way Ronnie Reagan did.
too long, didn't watch: shoot them with buckshot
too long, didn't watch: shoot them with buckshot
Hobbes, More, Burke, Fourier, Marx, Nietzsche, sometimes I wonder if you're stupid, ignorant or if wilful wrongness afflicts all hipsters.uziq wrote:
there is nothing 'organic' about something described as an 'ethical system'. systems are not pragmatic. they are systematic. putting any sort of ideal or ideology before the lived-facts right in front of you will always end up putting a cheap discount on discomfort and ignoring very real human misery caused by your proselytising.Jay wrote:
Precisely. The point is to be free of the mathematical diagrams and to be free to live an organic life where your choices are your own, not forced upon you by well meaning, but ultimately flawed, technocrats. Libertarianism isn't a form of government, it's a way of thinking about government. It's an ethical system.
it was pascal who said (since you are so well read): "men will never do evil so completely and so cheerfully as when they do from religious conviction". well political ideologies are the mass motivating belief systems of our day – all predicated on faith, on marching with some word or concept in the front of their minds towards that utopian paradisiacal state of society. substitute 'freedom', 'liberty', 'utility', 'historical materialism', etc., for the casuistry of pascal's day and you have the same result. you touting mill and Bentham just shows what a relative simpleton you are: you are taking elegantly argued philosophical tracts, neat examples of classical rhetoric, and thinking they can literally be engineering scheme for a whole complex society. anyone can read mill or Bentham, jay. you're not privy to some higher state of enlightenment because you've gulped down a few set texts. here's a few other examples of people whose thought systems could just as persuasively lead to a basis for a society: Hobbes, More, Burke, Fourier, Marx, Nietzsche. i could go on. you're supposed to read and consider these people as part of a classical canon, not flip like a spastic dolphin from one system to another. which is essentially all you do. you just started out on a substandard thinker who can't even make a cogent body of work out of it – Rand – and haven't progressed very far. must try harder when trying to become an intellectual, jay.
All you have to do is read Atlas Shrugged and you will have the answer to every question - The free market will solve it.
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That's great and all but this was in the days when population density was trivial, town to town travel and trade barely existed let alone international, and America had no foreign threat or interests or reason to care.Jay wrote:
It's the principles of the Enlightenment and what the US was founded on. Its why all the revolutionaries after 1848 emigrated hete. Until the turn of the 20th century we essentially had no federal government. It was tiny. Our government then grew because progressives are forever looking to Europe for ideas and the idea of a technocratic government used to solve all the issues of the day became their ideal. 100 years later it's morphed into an albatross with tens of trillions of debt, an absurd military and social programs that draw fraudsters like honey.Dilbert_X wrote:
Nope, in a power vacuum someone takes power, no checks and balances make it easier.Jay wrote:
There is no 'top' as power is pushed down as far as possible. National diplomacy wouldn't be pushed down to town level, but things like educational criteria would be because the people actually impacted should have the chance to voice their opinion.
Honestly I can't tell if you're just ignorant or being an ass, but your constant misrepresentations are tiring. It's really not that difficult. Go read some Mill or Bentham.
Show me a historical example of 'Libertarianism' which hasn't descended into a Lord of the Flies bloodbath or collapsed in on itself. There isn't one.
Its a pipe-dream theory which doesn't work espoused by ignorant and stupid people with no foresight.
America has moved on from trapping beavers for their fur, and shooting buffalo to starve the Indians, it has large cities now, international interests etc. Libertarianism might have worked well for a man in the middle of nowhere with a shack and a musket who caught his own fish and chopped his own wood. America hasn't practiced Libertarianism since.
Libertarianism works as well in the wilderness as communism does in a kibbutz, neither has any real place as a modern system of government.
Then there's the argument that you practice the exact opposite of what you preach, so your opinion is irrelevant.
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And yet you had no difficulty travelling to Iraq, telling them how to live their lives and shitting on their culture.Jay wrote:
Both. They hate you as much as you despise them. They want the government to give them hope in the form of jobs but they also hate the government because it's full of coastal busy bodies looking down on them and telling them how to live their lives and shitting on their culture. You'd be pissed too.
Are you surprised they're pissed?
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Bai Rubio
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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GOPs best hope gone. Clinton won almost every state tonight. She is going to be your next president.
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https://www.reddit.com/live/wl7jqau1kfc … 117c60e3b7Trump wrote:
"We are going to make the country rich again. We are going to make the country great again and we need the rich in order to make the great, I'm sorry to tell you"
Predicable and lame. Trump would be almost redeemable if he spent some more time attacking the capitalist class and the influence of the globalist 1% industrialist and bankers. Instead he will would be just another crony capitalist.
trump polls better against clinton than he does against sanders.SuperJail Warden wrote:
GOPs best hope gone. Clinton won almost every state tonight. She is going to be your next president.
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So? Clinton still polls better than Trump by a big average.Cybargs wrote:
trump polls better against clinton than he does against sanders.SuperJail Warden wrote:
GOPs best hope gone. Clinton won almost every state tonight. She is going to be your next president.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls … -5491.html
About fucking time, should of bailed earlier to give Cruz a better chance of winning.Jay wrote:
Bai Rubio
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
is this seriously what you call analysis? oh wow how surprising and disappointing that a person born into a real estate portfolio isn't waging war against the 1%SuperJail Warden wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/live/wl7jqau1kfc … 117c60e3b7Trump wrote:
"We are going to make the country rich again. We are going to make the country great again and we need the rich in order to make the great, I'm sorry to tell you"
Predicable and lame. Trump would be almost redeemable if he spent some more time attacking the capitalist class and the influence of the globalist 1% industrialist and bankers. Instead he will would be just another crony capitalist.
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I am not surprised. Trump and his supporters spend a lot of time talking about how trump is an outsider who isn't controlled by political donors and self funds his campaign. A large part of his campaign is about withdrawing from free trade deals and rebuilding the nation. It would have been admirable if talked more about how the 1% exploits economics to harm the nation like a true populist instead of coming out and saying the most predictably 1% thing in the whole election. Like I said, I am not surprised that trump isn't serious about this.uziq wrote:
is this seriously what you call analysis? oh wow how surprising and disappointing that a person born into a real estate portfolio isn't waging war against the 1%SuperJail Warden wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/live/wl7jqau1kfc … 117c60e3b7Trump wrote:
"We are going to make the country rich again. We are going to make the country great again and we need the rich in order to make the great, I'm sorry to tell you"
Predicable and lame. Trump would be almost redeemable if he spent some more time attacking the capitalist class and the influence of the globalist 1% industrialist and bankers. Instead he will would be just another crony capitalist.
You have the brain of a noodleSuperJail Warden wrote:
I am not surprised. Trump and his supporters spend a lot of time talking about how trump is an outsider who isn't controlled by political donors and self funds his campaign. A large part of his campaign is about withdrawing from free trade deals and rebuilding the nation. It would have been admirable if talked more about how the 1% exploits economics to harm the nation like a true populist instead of coming out and saying the most predictably 1% thing in the whole election. Like I said, I am not surprised that trump isn't serious about this.uziq wrote:
is this seriously what you call analysis? oh wow how surprising and disappointing that a person born into a real estate portfolio isn't waging war against the 1%SuperJail Warden wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/live/wl7jqau1kfc … 117c60e3b7
Predicable and lame. Trump would be almost redeemable if he spent some more time attacking the capitalist class and the influence of the globalist 1% industrialist and bankers. Instead he will would be just another crony capitalist.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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You can post your 50th libertarian rant or quote from Mill whenever you are ready.Jay wrote:
You have the brain of a noodleSuperJail Warden wrote:
I am not surprised. Trump and his supporters spend a lot of time talking about how trump is an outsider who isn't controlled by political donors and self funds his campaign. A large part of his campaign is about withdrawing from free trade deals and rebuilding the nation. It would have been admirable if talked more about how the 1% exploits economics to harm the nation like a true populist instead of coming out and saying the most predictably 1% thing in the whole election. Like I said, I am not surprised that trump isn't serious about this.uziq wrote:
is this seriously what you call analysis? oh wow how surprising and disappointing that a person born into a real estate portfolio isn't waging war against the 1%
Why bother? You've stated many times that you don't understand economics and have no desire to learn. That you would embrace the anti-1% rhetoric just proves it. Those people are ignorant - like you.SuperJail Warden wrote:
You can post your 50th libertarian rant or quote from Mill whenever you are ready.Jay wrote:
You have the brain of a noodleSuperJail Warden wrote:
I am not surprised. Trump and his supporters spend a lot of time talking about how trump is an outsider who isn't controlled by political donors and self funds his campaign. A large part of his campaign is about withdrawing from free trade deals and rebuilding the nation. It would have been admirable if talked more about how the 1% exploits economics to harm the nation like a true populist instead of coming out and saying the most predictably 1% thing in the whole election. Like I said, I am not surprised that trump isn't serious about this.
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat