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dilbert dont fuck up the ships ASC is building you cunt.

ya'll are so caught up about immigrants taking yer jobs when AI and robots are going to replace most of them.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

I don't know what the people who can't compete or lose their job are supposed to do with themselves. People won't just roll over and die.

I don't think there will be revolution but if the economic base continues to be sold off I predict more robberies, rapes, race riots, drug murders and so forth.

In old opinion pieces during the cold war there was a lot of fear regarding the breakdown of society due to stagnation. Of course it mostly referred to the civil rights movement but those men understood the fragility of their societies. People take their security for granted.

Jobs change. New technology comes in and creates new ones. My least favorite part of every election cycle is listening to people in Midwestern rust belt towns demanding politicians bring them new jobs. Bitch, your ancestors moved TO the town for work. You can move AWAY to find your own damn job. No one owes you anything.

automation doesn't create new jobs in new industries. it's the same Silicon Valley messianic bullshit all over again. technology tends to accumulate wealth and power in the hands of the technocrats, who would automate everything and run society through an algorithm if it were possible. in terms of a secular nation they are pretty much the closest we have to a class of prelates. they have esoteric knowledge and ask that decision making and the direction of the future be vouchsafed to them. that's fair enough – it works better than listening to the braying populists in the street – but it doesn't quite brush over the fact that technological advance = automation, and the majority of the population are going to be negatively affected by it in the future decades/centuries.

most of human work in society throughout history has been menial. that's just the way it is. dig on hole and fill in another. shuffle paper. press a button on a Fordist production line. work is seldom fulfilling or dependent on the flights of the intellect (for that look to the upper echelons of the traditional professions, which were called the 'liberal' professions for a reason: they required the human). technology is going to put a lot of menial jobs out of touch. think of all the people in the 50's or 60's who merely turned up to an office job from 9-5 for 30 years and could buy a house and provide for their family with relative ease. all those jobs – sinecures really – are going to evaporate. all that is solid melts into air!!!

there's so much doublethink in America. it's okay to subsidise useless corn farmers and terrible car manufacturers but any attempt to protect industry X against the global market is communism. lol ok.

i'm sorry but when has automation ever created editor jobs? i have one of the least automation-friendly jobs on the planet. you may as well say that machine automation has made UN translators jobs possible.

also the country->city demographic migration has nothing to do with a fundamental change in the type of labour. manual and menial labour is still manual and menial labour. you can't magic all those former workers into white-collar corporate types or people doing educated jobs. and the idea that technological progress is inventing as many manual-labour jobs as it takes away is frankly laughable.

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Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

i'm sorry but when has automation ever created editor jobs? i have one of the least automation-friendly jobs on the planet. you may as well say that machine automation has made UN translators jobs possible.

also the country->city demographic migration has nothing to do with a fundamental change in the type of labour. manual and menial labour is still manual and menial labour. you can't magic all those former workers into white-collar corporate types or people doing educated jobs. and the idea that technological progress is inventing as many manual-labour jobs as it takes away is frankly laughable.

Sure you can. They went from being farmers to marketing executives. They went from being ploghmen to graphic artists. The tractor combine destroyed a lot of jobs, but it also created new ones like tractor mechanics, and factories to supply parts. Others left for the cities.

Your job, in the arts, absolutely required the development of more efficient agricultural methods. Man couldn't support more than a handful of artists, almost all pulled from the landed nobility, prior to the invention of the steam engine. Now we have millions of bloggers.

The problem with new automation it essentially destroys a lot of white collar skilled jobs that takes years to learn.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34066941

Cybargs wrote:

Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

i'm sorry but when has automation ever created editor jobs? i have one of the least automation-friendly jobs on the planet. you may as well say that machine automation has made UN translators jobs possible.

also the country->city demographic migration has nothing to do with a fundamental change in the type of labour. manual and menial labour is still manual and menial labour. you can't magic all those former workers into white-collar corporate types or people doing educated jobs. and the idea that technological progress is inventing as many manual-labour jobs as it takes away is frankly laughable.

Sure you can. They went from being farmers to marketing executives. They went from being ploghmen to graphic artists. The tractor combine destroyed a lot of jobs, but it also created new ones like tractor mechanics, and factories to supply parts. Others left for the cities.

Your job, in the arts, absolutely required the development of more efficient agricultural methods. Man couldn't support more than a handful of artists, almost all pulled from the landed nobility, prior to the invention of the steam engine. Now we have millions of bloggers.

The problem with new automation it essentially destroys a lot of white collar skilled jobs that takes years to learn.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34066941

My company used to have an entire floor of draftsmen whose job was to meticulously plot floor plans and other drawings on sheets of mylar. They were replaced by Autocad and plotters. Now it's cheaper and takes far less time to produce plans. A lot of the draftsmen retired, others learned cad, and others found a new field. The world changed. Not a big deal.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

umm someone still has to do the drafting.  They just do it on the computer instead of an architects desk.  To infer the drafting is automated is a little silly.

And meticulous penmanship giving way to autodesk is a bit different than a robot replacing a factory worker.  Any job that requires logic and interpersonal skills (that's a lot of white-collar jobs) is in no way replaceable by automation.

Sure, but we now have 5 dedicated draftsmen rather than a whole floor, and it no longer takes days to plot a set.

It's less Autocad and more that it brought about use of the plotter that killed their job.

Immigrants are net job producers, not fillers.

More people create a higher demand for services and goods, right? So that should create jobs. But resources aren't infinite. New immigrants to an area will drive up rent, cost of services, cost of products, take jobs and drive down wages. I'm sure one out of dozens of them will open up a taco stand someplace in the city, but that doesn't do anything to help the poor underclass already here who could have used the resources the immigrants took instead.

Okay, immigrants occasionally will make a dating app. What does that do for construction workers being replaced by illiterate South American workers? Construction worker jobs have never recovered and they have been hit the hardest by in the influx of immigrants. Especially low skilled one. Not every immigrant is a Ph.D holder. Please don't point to a few highly skilled ones as being representative of the entire lot.

And even if they did create more jobs on the whole, the existence of their communities in the U.S. still weakens the social fabric of this nation.