There's no pleasing that crowd. When your mentality is that everything needs to be directly applicable to the job you want you need an apprenticeship, not a fucking degree.
Last edited by Pocshy2.0 (2015-09-29 07:02:45)
Hence my argument for revamping trade schools. Create really awesome medical schools full of applicable classes and training. It's probably way better than trying to teach it in a way that conforms to an academic environment.Pocshy2.0 wrote:
There's no pleasing that crowd. When your mentality is that everything needs to be directly applicable to the job you want you need an apprenticeship, not a fucking degree.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I don't think medical schools have a problem with applicable classes and training. Nor do most post-grad professional schools. It's really only undergraduate programs that see effort wasted on breadth requirements. Accountants. Engineers. Social workers. Those professions need help. But to be 100% honest, I think these undergraduate professions already do offer applicable training in the form of work-hours to achieve full professional recognition. CPA designations, P Eng designations.
I'm probably overgeneralizing a bit, but "gentrification" here usually extends about as far as property being snapped up by slum lords and made more expensive without any of the capital improvements that would normally warrant it. I've seen a property go from $400k to $600k and remain in the same state of tacky, underdeveloped disrepair, virtually untouched after wiring and appliances were looted from it. It's a bit hard to blame the government for everything wrong with the economy when you see these guys constantly taking off for extended, pricey vacations in Vegas or the Bahamas.
I wish we had some overpriced cereal joints instead.
Don't med/nursing students spend most of there time at hospitals/clinics training? Especially in the later years.
As for doing useless subjects to make you "more rounded" isn't that what high school is for?
Hell even the final years of high school you start to specialise by choosing what subjects you want to take.
Hell even the final years of high school you start to specialise by choosing what subjects you want to take.
I don't think you can look at it as banking being 'well rounded' for later years of specialization. You either continue to dabble in multiple fields, or become specialized and more-so myopic. As corny as it sounds, being well rounded in university is meant to instill a life-long curiosity for things not within your daily purview.DrunkFace wrote:
As for doing useless subjects to make you "more rounded" isn't that what high school is for?
Hell even the final years of high school you start to specialise by choosing what subjects you want to take.
The courses are largely redundant. I took a year of US history in high school (and got a 4 on the AP), then I was required to take two semesters of US history for undergrad. And no, the college courses weren't really any more in-depth. If you don't care about learning in high school you're not going to suddenly catch the bug in college.Pocshy2.0 wrote:
I don't think you can look at it as banking being 'well rounded' for later years of specialization. You either continue to dabble in multiple fields, or become specialized and more-so myopic. As corny as it sounds, being well rounded in university is meant to instill a life-long curiosity for things not within your daily purview.DrunkFace wrote:
As for doing useless subjects to make you "more rounded" isn't that what high school is for?
Hell even the final years of high school you start to specialise by choosing what subjects you want to take.
Last edited by Jay (2015-09-29 08:58:56)
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
But AP courses are supposed to be like college courses?
And yet the both of you have little culture and class. Funny how that works out. You have a champion of contract law (lol) replying to comments with "top kek" all over the place and then complaining about "mickey mouse bullshit" like humanities electives. You guys are missing the point. Jay I understand all you want to learn about is the terminal velocity of air as it blasts out of a vent 20 floors up from a shit pile, but it's not making you a better person. Meanwhile Cybargs literally comes across as a kid raised by the internet. Didn't your Asian parents force you to play violin until your hands bled?Jay wrote:
I had to take 4 semesters of english, 2 semesters of history, 2 semesters of humanities electives, 2 semesters of hard science non-engineering electives plus stupid freshman orientation classes. All told it tacked on an extra year of school. The theory is that it creates a better rounded graduate but all I saw were classmates sitting stone faced through classes they didn't care about.Cybargs wrote:
top kek merika.War Man wrote:
You are forgetting the fucking gen eds and other forced requirements many colleges require. For fucksake, I had to choose a language to meet my two semesters worth of foreign language requirement, and my place only has 3 fucking options for languages.
we don't have that mickey mouse bullshit in aus. You get maybe 2 gen eds in anything you want and the rest is just within your degree/major.
I can't tell you what is or isn't a redundant course at your school. All I know is that at my school nothing was redundant. We covered everything I learned in highschool in the first 2 weeks. And to your point concerning the futility of inspiring the uninspired, it worked for me. I ended up at university because I didn't want to face the world yet, and came out with a love for learning. I'd say the story is at least a 50-50 split on that one.Jay wrote:
The courses are largely redundant. I took a year of US history in high school (and got a 4 on the AP), then I was required to take two semesters of US history for undergrad. And no, the college courses weren't really any more in-depth. If you don't care about learning in high school you're not going to suddenly catch the bug in college.Pocshy2.0 wrote:
I don't think you can look at it as banking being 'well rounded' for later years of specialization. You either continue to dabble in multiple fields, or become specialized and more-so myopic. As corny as it sounds, being well rounded in university is meant to instill a life-long curiosity for things not within your daily purview.DrunkFace wrote:
As for doing useless subjects to make you "more rounded" isn't that what high school is for?
Hell even the final years of high school you start to specialise by choosing what subjects you want to take.
Last edited by Pocshy2.0 (2015-09-29 09:10:35)
I took US history in 4th grade, 8th grade and 11th grade. They all cover different aspects. And you don't have to take 2 semesters of US history as an undergrad - you are required to take 2 history classes - the fact you chose US history (again) is on you.Jay wrote:
The courses are largely redundant. I took a year of US history in high school (and got a 4 on the AP), then I was required to take two semesters of US history for undergrad. And no, the college courses weren't really any more in-depth. If you don't care about learning in high school you're not going to suddenly catch the bug in college.Pocshy2.0 wrote:
I don't think you can look at it as banking being 'well rounded' for later years of specialization. You either continue to dabble in multiple fields, or become specialized and more-so myopic. As corny as it sounds, being well rounded in university is meant to instill a life-long curiosity for things not within your daily purview.DrunkFace wrote:
As for doing useless subjects to make you "more rounded" isn't that what high school is for?
Hell even the final years of high school you start to specialise by choosing what subjects you want to take.
And if you got a 4 on the AP test, why didn't it apply as college credit?
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I could've waived the class but I wanted the GPA boostRTHKI wrote:
But AP courses are supposed to be like college courses?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I wanted the easy A GPA boost. I used my 4 in AP euro to kill an elective though.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I took US history in 4th grade, 8th grade and 11th grade. They all cover different aspects. And you don't have to take 2 semesters of US history as an undergrad - you are required to take 2 history classes - the fact you chose US history (again) is on you.Jay wrote:
The courses are largely redundant. I took a year of US history in high school (and got a 4 on the AP), then I was required to take two semesters of US history for undergrad. And no, the college courses weren't really any more in-depth. If you don't care about learning in high school you're not going to suddenly catch the bug in college.Pocshy2.0 wrote:
I don't think you can look at it as banking being 'well rounded' for later years of specialization. You either continue to dabble in multiple fields, or become specialized and more-so myopic. As corny as it sounds, being well rounded in university is meant to instill a life-long curiosity for things not within your daily purview.
And if you got a 4 on the AP test, why didn't it apply as college credit?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
but you could have taken the boost and the college credit?
not a single one of those electives at your college were anywhere near as rigorous or demanding as the equivalent at a selective college. this is the massive and fatal flaw in your understanding of humanities classes. you took an english elective and had to write a book report at the end of it and now you think you 'know' college-level humanities education. it's embarrassing, frankly. 'the theory that it creates a better rounded graduate' applies to liberal arts educations at elite institutions – people participating in proper academic learning. you having to prove to your drill sergeant at pog college #101 that you can construct a simple english sentence to satisfy an english elective is NOT the same thing. you're too pig ignorant and proud to admit it.Jay wrote:
I had to take 4 semesters of english, 2 semesters of history, 2 semesters of humanities electives, 2 semesters of hard science non-engineering electives plus stupid freshman orientation classes. All told it tacked on an extra year of school. The theory is that it creates a better rounded graduate but all I saw were classmates sitting stone faced through classes they didn't care about.Cybargs wrote:
top kek merika.War Man wrote:
You are forgetting the fucking gen eds and other forced requirements many colleges require. For fucksake, I had to choose a language to meet my two semesters worth of foreign language requirement, and my place only has 3 fucking options for languages.
we don't have that mickey mouse bullshit in aus. You get maybe 2 gen eds in anything you want and the rest is just within your degree/major.
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Blah blah blah shut the fuck up already. Low level undergrad courses are easy at any college.uziq wrote:
not a single one of those electives at your college were anywhere near as rigorous or demanding as the equivalent at a selective college. this is the massive and fatal flaw in your understanding of humanities classes. you took an english elective and had to write a book report at the end of it and now you think you 'know' college-level humanities education. it's embarrassing, frankly. 'the theory that it creates a better rounded graduate' applies to liberal arts educations at elite institutions – people participating in proper academic learning. you having to prove to your drill sergeant at pog college #101 that you can construct a simple english sentence to satisfy an english elective is NOT the same thing. you're too pig ignorant and proud to admit it.Jay wrote:
I had to take 4 semesters of english, 2 semesters of history, 2 semesters of humanities electives, 2 semesters of hard science non-engineering electives plus stupid freshman orientation classes. All told it tacked on an extra year of school. The theory is that it creates a better rounded graduate but all I saw were classmates sitting stone faced through classes they didn't care about.Cybargs wrote:
top kek merika.
we don't have that mickey mouse bullshit in aus. You get maybe 2 gen eds in anything you want and the rest is just within your degree/major.
Last edited by Jay (2015-09-29 12:21:32)
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
What was your major again, Jay, that you had to take all those classes? I remember I had to take a semester of calculus, an introductory English class freshman year and then a higher level English writing class senior year, but other than that, it seemed like you were open to take whatever you wanted.
Mech engrDesertFox- wrote:
What was your major again, Jay, that you had to take all those classes? I remember I had to take a semester of calculus, an introductory English class freshman year and then a higher level English writing class senior year, but other than that, it seemed like you were open to take whatever you wanted.
Last edited by Jay (2015-09-29 15:39:38)
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I still have my bonerFatherTed wrote:
me and adums are sexes chatting
that was 10 hours ago adams
i would go to the doctor
i would go to the doctor
I know but everytime I think about it it comes back
...and just when I think you might be reasonable, you make yourself look like a retard again.Jay wrote:
Blah blah blah shut the fuck up already. Low level undergrad courses are easy at any college.uziq wrote:
not a single one of those electives at your college were anywhere near as rigorous or demanding as the equivalent at a selective college. this is the massive and fatal flaw in your understanding of humanities classes. you took an english elective and had to write a book report at the end of it and now you think you 'know' college-level humanities education. it's embarrassing, frankly. 'the theory that it creates a better rounded graduate' applies to liberal arts educations at elite institutions – people participating in proper academic learning. you having to prove to your drill sergeant at pog college #101 that you can construct a simple english sentence to satisfy an english elective is NOT the same thing. you're too pig ignorant and proud to admit it.Jay wrote:
I had to take 4 semesters of english, 2 semesters of history, 2 semesters of humanities electives, 2 semesters of hard science non-engineering electives plus stupid freshman orientation classes. All told it tacked on an extra year of school. The theory is that it creates a better rounded graduate but all I saw were classmates sitting stone faced through classes they didn't care about.
well there is a point there - if low level undergraduate classes for humanities and other general ed. requirements are not as intensive as the advanced classes in those respective fields (and it's kind of silly to think they would be), what's the point of taking them?