haven't heard that line before, gee whizz. really tallies with the experience of everyone I know. bonggggg. do you know that architecture has worse graduate employment rates here than english? English is about level with chemistry. bet that blows your little mind. about 40% of all the hires in city grad schemes will have 2:1 (good honours) degrees in... humanities. even stuff like geography and sociology. bongggggg
What the fuck are you talking about? I like what I do you muppet. I get to walk down the streets of nyc seeing buildings I helped create or improve. I get to think of all the thousands of lives my work has improved, even moderately. I get to think of all the reductions in greenhouse gasses my work has led to. Yeah, I'm jealous I get to read 3 hours a day instead of 8, my life is broken.Cybargs wrote:
I think people are just jelly they have to study for work not for pleasure.
Don't you have another girl to kill with your car?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
you're forgetting that in jay's dissonant little mind, there is no difference in course quality or esteem between Pog college 101 and dartmouth. he denies that there's a real disparity and a leap up in quality. he doesn't like the idea of an elite unless it's one he happens to be in.Cybargs wrote:
maybe at shitty state schools but if you go to ivy league to study philosophy, classics or lit you'll still get job offers out of the wazoo.
Architects are a dime a dozen.uziq wrote:
haven't heard that line before, gee whizz. really tallies with the experience of everyone I know. bonggggg. do you know that architecture has worse graduate employment rates here than english? English is about level with chemistry. bet that blows your little mind. about 40% of all the hires in city grad schemes will have 2:1 (good honours) degrees in... humanities. even stuff like geography and sociology. bongggggg
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
This.uziq wrote:
I like how I'm being made out to be arrogant in this thread because I replied to a comment that basically wrote off THREE CONTINENTS of culture in one fell swoop, extrapolated from video-games and anime. lol. yeah I'm arrogant.
Who are you sucking up to? Uzi spends a good portion of his time bashing asian immigrants like you.Cybargs wrote:
maybe at shitty state schools but if you go to ivy league to study philosophy, classics or lit you'll still get job offers out of the wazoo.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I was using it as an example of a technical career with a clear vocation in mind, as opposed to scholarly degrees which are supposed to be unemployable. but I'm sure the architect who took a 5 year degree will note well the remarks of a fan installation technician.Jay wrote:
Architects are a dime a dozen.uziq wrote:
haven't heard that line before, gee whizz. really tallies with the experience of everyone I know. bonggggg. do you know that architecture has worse graduate employment rates here than english? English is about level with chemistry. bet that blows your little mind. about 40% of all the hires in city grad schemes will have 2:1 (good honours) degrees in... humanities. even stuff like geography and sociology. bongggggg
I really don't think you're in any position to appoint yourself the high arbiter of what constitutes a 'rigorous' degree. you didn't even go to a proper university. you have zero experience of these syllabi. you're forgetting that we all saw the laughable kindergarten book report you had to write to satisfy the 'humanities' credit on your degree. it read like something you'd see stuck to the side of a fridge in a house with 8 year old twins.
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Lol, okuziq wrote:
I was using it as an example of a technical career with a clear vocation in mind, as opposed to scholarly degrees which are supposed to be unemployable. but I'm sure the architect who took a 5 year degree will note well the remarks of a fan installation technician.Jay wrote:
Architects are a dime a dozen.uziq wrote:
haven't heard that line before, gee whizz. really tallies with the experience of everyone I know. bonggggg. do you know that architecture has worse graduate employment rates here than english? English is about level with chemistry. bet that blows your little mind. about 40% of all the hires in city grad schemes will have 2:1 (good honours) degrees in... humanities. even stuff like geography and sociology. bongggggg
I really don't think you're in any position to appoint yourself the high arbiter of what constitutes a 'rigorous' degree. you didn't even go to a proper university. you have zero experience of these syllabi. you're forgetting that we all saw the laughable kindergarten book report you had to write to satisfy the 'humanities' credit on your degree. it read like something you'd see stuck to the side of a fridge in a house with 8 year old twins.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I'd happily provide written samples of what actual essays and examinations involve, but it would be over your head – as a physics paper would be for mine – and you'd therefore rubbish it and deny it made any sense. that's the key difference here. and you call me arrogant.
now this brings back the old bf2s
tbh american uni's, especially 'state' ones aren't very academically rigorous. Got lots of mates who went abroad on exchange an pretty much got As for everything for not doing nothing.
I'm glad you enjoyed what you studied Jay, people find certain things more interesting than others but it is true in the context that traditionally the humanities/classics/arts have been chosen by the 'elite' because they don't have to 'dirty their hands' so to speak. As I said, Ivy level grads no matter what they study will end up with a nice paying job regardless. Welcome to the real world.
tbh american uni's, especially 'state' ones aren't very academically rigorous. Got lots of mates who went abroad on exchange an pretty much got As for everything for not doing nothing.
I'm glad you enjoyed what you studied Jay, people find certain things more interesting than others but it is true in the context that traditionally the humanities/classics/arts have been chosen by the 'elite' because they don't have to 'dirty their hands' so to speak. As I said, Ivy level grads no matter what they study will end up with a nice paying job regardless. Welcome to the real world.
I never denied my own arrogance. I just put you on blast because you decided to write an essay in response to Macbeth's idiocy, as if you were trying to one-up him. You came off as a bully, let him be.uziq wrote:
I'd happily provide written samples of what actual essays and examinations involve, but it would be over your head – as a physics paper would be for mine – and you'd therefore rubbish it and deny it made any sense. that's the key difference here. and you call me arrogant.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
- SuperJail Warden
- Gone Forever
- +641|3965
He does. He will defend non-western cultures and than turn around and mock immigrants trying to assimilate into his own. Uzi loves Iranian culture as long as they stay in Iran being poor rather than trying to get a business degree in England to better themselves.Jay wrote:
Who are you sucking up to? Uzi spends a good portion of his time bashing asian immigrants like you.Cybargs wrote:
maybe at shitty state schools but if you go to ivy league to study philosophy, classics or lit you'll still get job offers out of the wazoo.
I respect all peoples of the world.
trying to one up him? don't be so idiotic. I was speaking on behalf of a bunch of cultures that are not mine. most I haven't read widely in – as it turns out, Macbeth has probably read more Japanese literature than I have. the difference is I respect my limits and consider that which I don't know about with curiosity rather than contempt. Macbeth just slated half of the world's cultures because they don't have the global reach or commercial appeal of American pop culture. wow.Jay wrote:
I never denied my own arrogance. I just put you on blast because you decided to write an essay in response to Macbeth's idiocy, as if you were trying to one-up him. You came off as a bully, let him be.uziq wrote:
I'd happily provide written samples of what actual essays and examinations involve, but it would be over your head – as a physics paper would be for mine – and you'd therefore rubbish it and deny it made any sense. that's the key difference here. and you call me arrogant.
can you guys find some examples of me mocking immigrants trying to get into my country? I have never been anti immigration in d&st and all I've said about Asian students is that the UK university system is very cynically pandering to their wealth.SuperJail Warden wrote:
He does. He will defend non-western cultures and than turn around and mock immigrants trying to assimilate into his own. Uzi loves Iranian culture as long as they stay in Iran being poor rather than trying to get a business degree in England to better themselves.Jay wrote:
Who are you sucking up to? Uzi spends a good portion of his time bashing asian immigrants like you.Cybargs wrote:
maybe at shitty state schools but if you go to ivy league to study philosophy, classics or lit you'll still get job offers out of the wazoo.
I respect all peoples of the world.
- SuperJail Warden
- Gone Forever
- +641|3965
Idiocy? You of all people are going to defend the wonders of Iranian culture. When was the last time you interacted with Iranian culture? In Baghdad?Jay wrote:
I never denied my own arrogance. I just put you on blast because you decided to write an essay in response to Macbeth's idiocy, as if you were trying to one-up him. You came off as a bully, let him be.uziq wrote:
I'd happily provide written samples of what actual essays and examinations involve, but it would be over your head – as a physics paper would be for mine – and you'd therefore rubbish it and deny it made any sense. that's the key difference here. and you call me arrogant.
Mac you're making me out to be this paternalistic, fustian liberal that likes to praise 'other' cultures because of their exoticism or their 'charm'. that's obviously not the case and you know that – you're being disingenuous. I am not pretending to be some champion of Iranian literature or Persian and Babylonian cultures or whatever (much less ghettoising them and trying to keep them in a neutered and bourgeois type of fetishism). the central thrust of my point is that it is utterly stupid to dismiss other cultures because they don't have the global reach of American pop culture.
I don't judge a culture by how many dollars are earned exploiting it.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Idiocy? You of all people are going to defend the wonders of Iranian culture. When was the last time you interacted with Iranian culture? In Baghdad?Jay wrote:
I never denied my own arrogance. I just put you on blast because you decided to write an essay in response to Macbeth's idiocy, as if you were trying to one-up him. You came off as a bully, let him be.uziq wrote:
I'd happily provide written samples of what actual essays and examinations involve, but it would be over your head – as a physics paper would be for mine – and you'd therefore rubbish it and deny it made any sense. that's the key difference here. and you call me arrogant.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Chemistry employment rates have been bloody terrible for decades.uziq wrote:
haven't heard that line before, gee whizz. really tallies with the experience of everyone I know. bonggggg. do you know that architecture has worse graduate employment rates here than english? English is about level with chemistry. bet that blows your little mind. about 40% of all the hires in city grad schemes will have 2:1 (good honours) degrees in... humanities. even stuff like geography and sociology. bongggggg
Fuck Israel
it's a hard science and a respected degree. just like english is. this whole idea that humanities grads are uniquely unemployable is not held up by any statistic. if you want to argue for better life time earnings in STEM or medicine then you've got more room to argue (inasmuch as any undergraduate degree can seriously determine your earning potential). but talking about how much money you can make is patently not the same thing as arguing for the 'rigour' or intellectual merit or 'worth to society' of a degree. by that metric management and business studies students are our future philosopher-kings.Dilbert_X wrote:
Chemistry employment rates have been bloody terrible for decades.uziq wrote:
haven't heard that line before, gee whizz. really tallies with the experience of everyone I know. bonggggg. do you know that architecture has worse graduate employment rates here than english? English is about level with chemistry. bet that blows your little mind. about 40% of all the hires in city grad schemes will have 2:1 (good honours) degrees in... humanities. even stuff like geography and sociology. bongggggg
any way you cut it, a guy from a college like Jay's with some vocational qualification cannot denigrate an academic degree from an established institution. he's small feed in the world of being educated and he's just going to have to stop prevaricating over the matter. oh well!
shut up dude. I went to a state school (a highly rated one at that) and got a great education. Your friends probably just said that when in reality they worked their asses off like. Either that or they went to some shitty state school. But don't dismiss state schools as shit as a blanket statement. Ivy league grads get good jobs because they are generally from monied elite and/or build connections through their family network through schooling.Cybargs wrote:
now this brings back the old bf2s
tbh american uni's, especially 'state' ones aren't very academically rigorous. Got lots of mates who went abroad on exchange an pretty much got As for everything for not doing nothing.
I'm glad you enjoyed what you studied Jay, people find certain things more interesting than others but it is true in the context that traditionally the humanities/classics/arts have been chosen by the 'elite' because they don't have to 'dirty their hands' so to speak. As I said, Ivy level grads no matter what they study will end up with a nice paying job regardless. Welcome to the real world.
I have a cousin who graduated from an Ivy league school with a dual liberal arts/lit degree. He bummed around in Brooklyn while his parents paid his rent for 4 years. He just got into Harvard Law School though
Point being - it's what you do with your degree after you graduate that determines how successful you are. Surely having a great college on your resume helps, but it's not going to guarantee success. I make great money with my paper that says I graduated with a degree in International Relations - despite doing nothing related to it in my field.
what the hell is a dual liberal arts/lit degree. literature is one of the liberal arts. what was his double major in, tautology? what is instructed on a 'liberal arts' degree if not reading literature? genuinely curious. there's obvious a difference in terms over the atlantic.
I have no fucking clue, I just know he got a double major in liberal arts fields and one was english lit. He tried being like a song writer (and a bar back / dog walker on the side) or something until his parents got fed up paying his rent and pushed him to do somethign.
I don't think he's too off the mark, though. If you're a decent exam taker, I reckon you'll be more than fine at many universities. I wish I'd gotten accepted into dental school, because then I think I'd actually have to learn how to study and retain information properly. At my school and those of people I've spoken to, you could still binge and purge cramming info before an exam and probably be fine. Very rarely did I ever experience a task that required you to fully expound upon previously learned concepts.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
shut up dude. I went to a state school (a highly rated one at that) and got a great education. Your friends probably just said that when in reality they worked their asses off like. Either that or they went to some shitty state school. But don't dismiss state schools as shit as a blanket statement. Ivy league grads get good jobs because they are generally from monied elite and/or build connections through their family network through schooling.Cybargs wrote:
now this brings back the old bf2s
tbh american uni's, especially 'state' ones aren't very academically rigorous. Got lots of mates who went abroad on exchange an pretty much got As for everything for not doing nothing.
I'm glad you enjoyed what you studied Jay, people find certain things more interesting than others but it is true in the context that traditionally the humanities/classics/arts have been chosen by the 'elite' because they don't have to 'dirty their hands' so to speak. As I said, Ivy level grads no matter what they study will end up with a nice paying job regardless. Welcome to the real world.
I have a cousin who graduated from an Ivy league school with a dual liberal arts/lit degree. He bummed around in Brooklyn while his parents paid his rent for 4 years. He just got into Harvard Law School though
Point being - it's what you do with your degree after you graduate that determines how successful you are. Surely having a great college on your resume helps, but it's not going to guarantee success. I make great money with my paper that says I graduated with a degree in International Relations - despite doing nothing related to it in my field.
- SuperJail Warden
- Gone Forever
- +641|3965
But you judge every other thing by how much money it earnsJay wrote:
I don't judge a culture by how many dollars are earned exploiting it.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Idiocy? You of all people are going to defend the wonders of Iranian culture. When was the last time you interacted with Iranian culture? In Baghdad?Jay wrote:
I never denied my own arrogance. I just put you on blast because you decided to write an essay in response to Macbeth's idiocy, as if you were trying to one-up him. You came off as a bully, let him be.
No I don't. I take the train every morning with stock brokers who make half a mil plus a year who are barely able to tie their shoes and have no relationship with their family. Money doesn't impress me at all.SuperJail Warden wrote:
But you judge every other thing by how much money it earnsJay wrote:
I don't judge a culture by how many dollars are earned exploiting it.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Idiocy? You of all people are going to defend the wonders of Iranian culture. When was the last time you interacted with Iranian culture? In Baghdad?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat