Dilbert_X
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They aren't mules, they are the middlemen, without middlemen there is no drug trade.
Its a simple law - get caught trafficking drugs in Indonesia you die.

Indonesia is an unenlightened country - I won't be going there for any reason..
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Ty
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Its a simple law - get caught trafficking drugs in Indonesia you die.
It's not quite that simple when you have bribery and corruption everywhere. Anyone wonder why a French national scheduled to die along with Chan and Sukumaran is being given a reprieve? Now Chan and Sukumaran's first lawyer is claiming there was a lengthy negotiation on what price would secure the pair which sentence, (it's illegal under Indonesian law for a lawyer to meet with judges to discuss sentencing, let alone engage in bribery,) and that after a deal was struck the Government interfered to insist on the death penalty anyway, (also a no-no.) Now there may be those, (the Indoneisan Government for example,) who will say this is an act of desperation by the pair's legal team but somehow I doubt it. This is Indonesia we're talking about which, as you say, is an unenlightened country and this sort of thing tends to happen there.

Dilbert_X wrote:

They aren't mules, they are the middlemen, without middlemen there is no drug trade.
You're right of course but only in a world where there was a finite amount of greedy idiots willing to risk their lives for financial gain. There's not. And as long as there's a supply and there's a demand there will be ways of connecting the two bases. Indonesia has been executing drug traffickers for how long? And it's not slowing down. Meanwhile Portugal have been treating their drug problem on the demand end and having huge positive results. Without demand there certainly is no drugs trade.
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Dilbert_X
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Seems to work great for Singapore, we should be pressing for Indonesia to execute or flog ALL their criminals, and be less corrupt about it.
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Ty
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Singapore is a tiny city state of 5.4 million not a complex country of 253 million so it's a very different situation. But even then drug seizures are increasing in Singapore and their heroin problem is actually getting worse, at least according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. Suggests to me that executing drug traffickers isn't doing shit there either.

Either way Indonesia's corruption rating is currently thirty-something out of a hundred. The idea that any executions there are just is laughable.
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Dilbert_X
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This all sounds like an argument for not going to corrupt, brutal, unenlightened countries and committing serious criminal offences which attract severe punishment.
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Jaekus
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You do know that one of the guys to be executed tonight is so badly affected by schizophrenia he didn't know what he was doing at the time and doesn't believe the death penalty exists, fully believing he will wake up in his cell tomorrow? And there's a woman who had the suitcase given to her by the "employers" of a new job she was taking, with the heroin hidden in the lining and never knew what happened?
Jaekus
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SuperJail Warden
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The Filipina probably had sex with the warden.
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She looks so oppressed in prison. She was probably the ringleader. Filipinas are untrustworthy.
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Jaekus
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If you read the link I posted it states the so-called employer came forward at the 11th hour and confessed to planting the drugs on her.

"Mary Jane Veloso was due to be executed on the Nusakambangan prison island this morning.

But she was spared after someone suspected of recruiting her and tricking her into carrying drugs to Indonesia turned themselves in to authorities in the Philippines, a text message from Indonesian attorney-general spokesman Tony Spontana to the ABC confirmed."
Dilbert_X
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Jaekus wrote:

You do know that one of the guys to be executed tonight is so badly affected by schizophrenia he didn't know what he was doing at the time and doesn't believe the death penalty exists, fully believing he will wake up in his cell tomorrow? And there's a woman who had the suitcase given to her by the "employers" of a new job she was taking, with the heroin hidden in the lining and never knew what happened?
Its a corrupt, brutal shithole, what else is there to say? Those arguments don't apply to Chan or the other guy though.
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Ty
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Last year's budget = unfair
This year's budget = hilariously hypocritical.

Not only did all reference to budget emergencies and the terror of debt and deficits vanish, one of their keystone policies was one they ripped off from Wayne Swan; a policy they scrapped upon coming to power. And of top of that but they've made it more generous by 207.7%.

My pick: If this friendlier budget sees the Coalition lift in the polls there's going to be an election this year.
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Jay
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The butthurt grandstanding over the Johnny Depp dogs makes me think you're a bunch of wankers. You have kangaroos boxing each other in your suburbs. What's a little yorkie got on that?
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Cybargs
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Jay wrote:

The butthurt grandstanding over the Johnny Depp dogs makes me think you're a bunch of wankers. You have kangaroos boxing each other in your suburbs. What's a little yorkie got on that?
I don't think anyone's butthurt. It was just funny our agricultural minister was like 'fuck off or we'll kill your dogs.'

Customs in australia is retardly strict when you bring in food from other countries. any plant/meat is pretty much instantly denied.

I just find it the funny the gov is threatening to charge johnny depp. The offence carries a 10 year prison sentence lawl.
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DrunkFace
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Jay wrote:

The butthurt grandstanding over the Johnny Depp dogs makes me think you're a bunch of wankers. You have kangaroos boxing each other in your suburbs. What's a little yorkie got on that?
Celebrity status and a private jet does not make you immune to the law or give you the right to endanger our biosphere.
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DrunkFace wrote:

Jay wrote:

The butthurt grandstanding over the Johnny Depp dogs makes me think you're a bunch of wankers. You have kangaroos boxing each other in your suburbs. What's a little yorkie got on that?
Celebrity status and a private jet does not make you immune to the law or give you the right to endanger our biosphere.
I will laugh if commonwealth DPP lays charges and the trial judge gives him 10 years if found guilty lawl.
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Dilbert_X
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Jay wrote:

The butthurt grandstanding over the Johnny Depp dogs makes me think you're a bunch of wankers. You have kangaroos boxing each other in your suburbs. What's a little yorkie got on that?
Yes, Americans should be free to travel to foreign countries, break laws and regulations, lie to officials, sign false statements - and anyone who says otherwise is a wanker.

Australia has a fairly fragile ecosystem, we don't want our venomous animals endangered by anything which could be brought in my some drug-addled hipsters mutt.

Depp might get a fine, I bet his pilot is in more trouble.
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Cybargs
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cane toads really fucked over the ecosystem though
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Jay
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+2,006|5596|London, England
Haven't you ever seen Arachnaphobia? There's no stopping deadly things like yorkshire terriers from taking over whole towns!
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Cybargs
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Jay wrote:

Haven't you ever seen Arachnaphobia? There's no stopping deadly things like yorkshire terriers from taking over whole towns!
Dude, every single country in the world you have to declare to customs if you're bringing in a pet. Even your own government.

http://www.cdc.gov/animalimportation/dogs.html

It's about preventing the spread of communicable diseases to an isolated environment. Australia's wildlife has already been fucked enough by foreign species.
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uziq
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Jay wrote:

Haven't you ever seen Arachnaphobia? There's no stopping deadly things like yorkshire terriers from taking over whole towns!
it's about infection or diseases carried by those animals more than the intrinsic danger of the species. you are obviously being wilfully stupid. every advanced nation in the world has animal quarantine (even within Europe, good luck trying to bring a cat from Spain to the UK). just like many nations ban the importation of produce or foodstuffs from xyz location. the last time i went to America they were filtering out people who were incoming through customs and had 'been on a farm' recently, because of food-and-mouth disease. these are standard protocols.

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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Now Jay is going to drone on about freedom and how spreading pathogens is good for the economy.
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KEN-JENNINGS
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I brought a banana back from Vancouver earlier this month.  The customs official inspected the banana.

A few years ago when I was coming back from South East Asia I had to cut open a mixed bag of spices i brought back to take out the kaffir lime because you can't bring citrus into California...something about protecting the citrus market here.

That being said, Jay does have a point regarding the grandstanding surrounding Doggiegate.  Then again, maybe Australian government has nothing better to do than convene senate hearings about celebs "smuggling" dogs into the country.

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