Do you think Russia could win a total war against all of NATO if both sides didn't use nuclear weapons?
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no. thankfully, that's never going to happen.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
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That explains a lot.
You should definitely read the geneva convention.Shahter wrote:
first, please provide somekinda evidence of russians being in there at all. and second, who exactly are you to decide which side in civil war is to be deemed "illegal combatants"?SuperJail Warden wrote:
Since Putin disavowed the Russians in Ukraine, America should send its military to bomb them. They are illegal combatants. Then let's see what Russia does.
http://www.icrc.org/eng/assets/files/ot … dorman.pdf
It essentially means the Ukranian gov can throw them in jail under their own laws.It is generally accepted that unlawful combatants may be prosecuted
for their mere participation in hostilities, even if they respect all the rules of
international humanitarian law
A bunch of russian dudes rocking up to ukraine and start shooting at Ukranian gov pretty much makes them unlawful combatants and they don't have prisoner of war rights. Lawful combatants on the other hand can't be thrown in jail for killing people, because well that's their job and essentially have a "license to kill."
So what about the Russian paratroopers who were "lost" 20km inside ukraine?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28934213
Either Russian soldiers were REALLY stupid and somehow got "lost" within 20km of Ukraine's border or they were actively participating.A Russian defence ministry source was quoted by the Russian news agency RIA Novosti as saying: "The soldiers really did participate in a patrol of a section of the Russian-Ukrainian border, crossed it by accident on an unmarked section, and as far as we understand showed no resistance to the armed forces of Ukraine when they were detained."
Either way shahter, you said Russia has an active role in this conflict, do you honestly think there aren't russian nationals in the Ukraine?
I guess your defence ministry is full of shit saying there were soldiers in Ukraine on "vacation" right?
http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-russ … 014-8?IR=T
Either way it makes them illegal combatants unless russia decides to declare war.Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov told Russian news agencies that the "information has no relation to reality" and that army units believed by Washington to have crossed into Ukraine were conducting "tactical training exercises on their own and outlying ranges."
Even Yanukovych, whom you say is the "legitimate" gov of Ukraine disagreed with the annexation of Crimea.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26857734
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26857734
Mr Yanukovych, now in Russia, said he would try to persuade Russian President Vladimir Putin to return Crimea to Ukraine.
"Crimea is a tragedy, a major tragedy," he said.
"We must set such a task and search for ways to return to Crimea on any conditions, so that Crimea may have the maximum degree of independence possible... but be part of Ukraine."
there is no legitimate government in ukraine. there's no accepted law in ukraine. the nation is in a state of civil war.Cybargs wrote:
You should definitely read the geneva convention.
http://www.icrc.org/eng/assets/files/ot … dorman.pdfIt essentially means the Ukranian gov can throw them in jail under their own laws.It is generally accepted that unlawful combatants may be prosecuted
for their mere participation in hostilities, even if they respect all the rules of
international humanitarian law
no, it doesn't.A bunch of russian dudes rocking up to ukraine and start shooting at Ukranian gov pretty much makes them unlawful combatants
they were lost.So what about the Russian paratroopers who were "lost" 20km inside ukraine?
yep. there are a lot of really stupid people on this planet.Either Russian soldiers were REALLY stupid and somehow got "lost" within 20km of Ukraine's border or they were actively participating.
yes, russia is actively participating in this conflict - the way the west participated in conflicts in lybia, syria, egypt and the likes. deal with it.Either way shahter, you said Russia has an active role in this conflict, do you honestly think there aren't russian nationals in the Ukraine?
as to russian natinals in ukraine, it doesn't matter what i "honestly think". i asked you ass-clowns a question: do you have evidence of russia's military involvement there? no? gtfo.
yanukovich has only one role left to play in this (if it come to it anyway) - as a scapegoat when the dust settles. what he says or does makes no difference.Even Yanukovych, whom you say is the "legitimate" gov of Ukraine disagreed with the annexation of Crimea.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
By the same argument there is no legitimate government in Russia. there's no accepted law in Russia. the nation is in a state of civil war, since the Chechens are still in a state of revolt.Shahter wrote:
there is no legitimate government in ukraine. there's no accepted law in ukraine. the nation is in a state of civil war.
So lets stop worrying about Putin, who has no legitimacy, and bomb the fuck out of these retards who shot down an airliner.
Fuck Israel
chechens that are in "revolt" are a marginal group with no local authority holding no territory. separatists in ukraine hold an eighth of the territory and represent about the same part of ukrainian population. see the difference?
as to the other part of your rant, well, first let's see somekinda evidence of russia shooting down an airliner, and second, you are welcome to stop worrying about putin try to bomb us. come on.
as to the other part of your rant, well, first let's see somekinda evidence of russia shooting down an airliner, and second, you are welcome to stop worrying about putin try to bomb us. come on.
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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
This is hilarious.
I don't know why the Russians don't just do as the Israelis do, announce they're going to steal the land and then steal it.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29008045
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29008045
Fuck Israel
because russians are not israelis? russia does not steal any land, you know. people living in crymea expressed their desire to join and, taking into account their situation, russia let them in. if somebody else withes to do so, i guess we are okay with that too.Dilbert_X wrote:
I don't know why the Russians don't just do as the Israelis do
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
explain eastern blocShahter wrote:
because russians are not israelis? russia does not steal any land, you know. people living in crymea expressed their desire to join and, taking into account their situation, russia let them in. if somebody else withes to do so, i guess we are okay with that too.Dilbert_X wrote:
I don't know why the Russians don't just do as the Israelis do
i'm not here to educate anybody. google is as available to you as it is to everybody else.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
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Russia has a victim complex. All the countries around Russia hate it because of America. They can't take any responsibility for why their country is poor and friendless.
to how many people living in the countries around russia have you spoken to? how many of them told you they hate russia?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
yeah thats why most of the former eastern bloc states joined nato.Shahter wrote:
to how many people living in the countries around russia have you spoken to? how many of them told you they hate russia?
because their people hated russia? really?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
but i thought they loved mother russiaShahter wrote:
because their people hated russia? really?
I'm sure all the germans in former east germany are really fond of russia and communism.
If the Ukrainian separatists want to be part of Russia why don't they just go there?
It seems to be walking distance for most of them, and they'd be respecting the rights of those who would rather be in the West.
It seems to be walking distance for most of them, and they'd be respecting the rights of those who would rather be in the West.
Fuck Israel
many doCybargs wrote:
but i thought they loved mother russiaShahter wrote:
because their people hated russia? really?
you are speaking of "all", "everybody" and the likes, but you still haven't answered: to how many of those "all" have you spoken to and how many of them agreed with your assumptions about their feelings towards russia and russians?I'm sure all the germans in former east germany are really fond of russia and communism.
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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
because they'd rather fight for their own land which is being invaded by nazies?Dilbert_X wrote:
If the Ukrainian separatists want to be part of Russia why don't they just go there?
so they should abandon their lands... in respect to those, who try to force them out? really?It seems to be walking distance for most of them, and they'd be respecting the rights of those who would rather be in the West.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Those pesky "nazies" invading everywhere again!
nah, just ukraine this time.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Where is your proof.
You can't deny there is a strong fascist movement amongst the supporters, if not the leadership itself, of the ruling Euromaiden movement in Ukraine.coke wrote:
Where is your proof.
Calling them Nazis is a stretch, but there is a very large, very unpleasant fascist element in Ukraine.
Of course that hasn't had wide media coverage in the West. Although it certainly does not condone the way Russia has behaved over Crimea and the support they are clearly providing to the rebels. It's comparable to Iran arming Hamas. No one comes out looking good from this Ukraine situation. Not the West, not Russia and certainly not Ukraine.