Abuse against gay people in Russia

2013-09-30 23:35:06

#376

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7014|Moscow, Russia

Adams_BJ wrote:
You and the Government tolerate gays?

yes.

So gays are allowed to be openly gay

yes.

which includes being able to talk about their sexuality in private

yes.

and in public

if they recognize their condition for what it is and acknowledge that in said public discussions - yes.

and are afforded all the same rights as a heterosexual person would expect?

no. and that, as i said, is something that we'll have to work on. but we will find a way to do so without help from cretins who think throwing their homosexuality in the face of the society is the way to do it.

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2013-09-30 23:46:12

#377

Adams_BJ: Russian warship, go fuck yourself; +2,054|6861|Little Bentcock

So there are restrictions placed on them, which would mean that society isn't entirely tolerant of them, yes? Maybe more tolerant to what they would have been 50 years ago, but not fully. Its heading in the right direction at least.

Since I'm not familiar with Russian culture fully, when is it and when is it not acceptable to talk about their sexuality in public?

And what is gay propaganda?

Last edited by Adams_BJ (2013-09-30 23:46:57)

2013-09-30 23:56:10

#378

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7014|Moscow, Russia

Adams_BJ wrote:
So there are restrictions placed on them, which would mean that society isn't entirely tolerant of them, yes?

what do you mean by "entirely tolerant"? homosexuals are and will be viewed as impaired people they are. their condition is only normal in they way that it happens in nature, like color blindness, i mentioned before. we are not going to let color blind drive trains in russia or do anything that requires normal color recognition even if they start demanding that, and that's not intolerance. likewise, we are going to keep certain restrictions on homosexuals, and that's no intolerance either.

Maybe more tolerant to what they would have been 50 years ago, but not fully.

50 yeas ago one went to prison for being gay in russia. so yeah, there had certainly been changes in that regard.

Its heading in the right direction at least.

agreed.

Since I'm not familiar with Russian culture fully, when is it and when is it not acceptable to talk about their sexuality in public?

it's acceptable to talk about homosexuality in public. you just have to recognize it for what it is.

And what is gay propaganda?

it's in the law. i'll let you find it yourself.

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2013-10-01 00:18:36

#379

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6955

no shahter you explain that shit. because if we find an english translation youre gonna harp on about western bias/propaganda and misinterpretation of the law, so we want to know what strictly is defined as "gay propaganda"

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2013-10-01 00:22:39

#380

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7014|Moscow, Russia

the law, my retarded friend, has been posted in this thread already. and i already said that the translation was okay. which you'd know if you were paying even a modicum of attention to the thread you post in, but you are too busy being a douche i guess.

well, whatever.

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2013-10-01 00:33:15

#381

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6955

so will two gay men holding hands constitute as gay propaganda?

what about this?

https://foreignpolicyblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/putin-kiss-e1371136277132.jpg

2013-10-01 00:36:21

#382

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7014|Moscow, Russia

Shahter wrote:
it's in the law. i'll let you find it yourself.

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2013-10-01 00:37:21

#383

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6955

but putin kissing another man makes it look like homosexual relationships are equal to heterosexual ones!

2013-10-01 00:38:36

#384

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7014|Moscow, Russia

Shahter wrote:
it's in the law. i'll let you find it yourself.

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2013-10-01 05:02:34

#385

Stubbee: Religions Hate Facts, Questions and Doubts; +223|6982|Reality

if they recognize their condition for what it is and acknowledge that in said public discussions

homosexuality is not a medical condition, it is not a disease, it is not an affliction and not a lifestyle choice

BUT
just for the sake of argument, let us assume your contention

name one other medical condition that people cannot legally openly discuss with others
name one other disease disease that people legally cannot openly discuss
name one other affliction that people cannot legally openly discuss.
name one other lifestyle choice that people cannot legally openly discuss

no such thing exists. Your entire position is predicated on the idea that homosexuality is immoral

and so bonus (if we, for the sake of argument, go with this thought)

name one other immoral act that people cannot legally openly discuss

your law is discrimination based on religious dogma.
and why only that particular piece of dogma? there are many other things in the bible that are accorded the same scorn and penalties i.e. are abominations. Where are the laws against them?

Last edited by Stubbee (2013-10-01 05:04:23)

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2013-10-01 05:45:24

#386

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7014|Moscow, Russia

Stubbee wrote:
if they recognize their condition for what it is and acknowledge that in said public discussions
homosexuality is not a medical condition, it is not a disease, it is not an affliction and not a lifestyle choice

right. sexuality is a complex phenomenon that has many aspects to it, which include social and psychological. that's why there's all the fuss around that. if color blindness could be influenced in people via social means we would place the same restrictions on color blind we now place on homosexuals.

BUT
just for the sake of argument, let us assume your contention

oh, do assume whatever you want, i don't give a shit.

name one other medical condition that people cannot legally openly discuss with others
name one other disease disease that people legally cannot openly discuss
name one other affliction that people cannot legally openly discuss.
name one other lifestyle choice that people cannot legally openly discuss

it's legal to openly discuss homosexuality with others in russia.

no such thing exists. Your entire position is predicated on the idea that homosexuality is immoral

bullshit. never tried to talk any morality on this, my argument is and always was strictly pragmatic.

and so bonus (if we, for the sake of argument, go with this thought)

name one other immoral act that people cannot legally openly discuss

it's legal to openly discuss anything in russia. it's not legal to promote certain stuff. pedophilia, for example, or extremism of certain kinds - religious and other.

your law is discrimination based on religious dogma.

religious dogma? me? are you feeling okay?

and why only that particular piece of dogma? there are many other things in the bible that are accorded the same scorn and penalties i.e. are abominations. Where are the laws against them?

fuck off and go lecture someone else, cretin.

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2013-10-01 05:50:12

#387

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6955

lol comparing homosexuality to pedofilia.

2013-10-01 05:51:01

#388

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7014|Moscow, Russia

what? somebody's comparing homosexuality to pedophilia?

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2013-10-01 05:55:15

#389

cl4u53w1t2: Salon-Bolschewist; +269|6712|Kakanien

lol, as if a difference between discussing and promoting was made...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2oh3h3DvY0

2013-10-01 05:55:52

#390

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7014|Moscow, Russia

Shahter wrote:
it's in the law. i'll let you find it yourself.

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2013-10-01 05:56:10

#391

Stubbee: Religions Hate Facts, Questions and Doubts; +223|6982|Reality

name one other medical condition that people cannot legally openly discuss with others
name one other disease disease that people legally cannot openly discuss
name one other affliction that people cannot legally openly discuss.
name one other lifestyle choice that people cannot legally openly discuss
it's legal to openly discuss homosexuality with others in russia.

could anyone openly and legally discuss homosexuality with a 16 year old ?

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2013-10-01 05:58:00

#392

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7014|Moscow, Russia

Stubbee wrote:
name one other medical condition that people cannot legally openly discuss with others
name one other disease disease that people legally cannot openly discuss
name one other affliction that people cannot legally openly discuss.
name one other lifestyle choice that people cannot legally openly discuss
it's legal to openly discuss homosexuality with others in russia.
could anyone openly and legally discuss homosexuality with a 16 year old ?

yes.

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2013-10-01 06:01:33

#393

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6955

Shahter wrote:
what? somebody's comparing homosexuality to pedophilia?

shahter wrote:
it's legal to openly discuss anything in russia. it's not legal to promote certain stuff. pedophilia, for example, or extremism of certain kinds - religious and other.

you did buddy.

2013-10-01 06:04:09

#394

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7014|Moscow, Russia

find me the word "homosexuality" in the sentence you quoted.

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2013-10-01 06:08:51

#395

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6955

Shahter wrote:
find me the word "homosexuality" in the sentence you quoted.

yeah like your not comparing promoting homosexuality to pedofilia at all. its called context bro, i know what youre saying even you dont have to use a loud speaker.

2013-10-01 06:10:48

#396

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7014|Moscow, Russia

Cybargs wrote:
Shahter wrote:
find me the word "homosexuality" in the sentence you quoted.
yeah like your not comparing promoting homosexuality to pedofilia at all.

not comparing. at all.

its called context bro, i know what youre saying even you dont have to use a loud speaker.

go stick your context and your amazing powers of observation where the sun doesn't shine, why don't you.

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2013-10-01 06:26:25

#397

cl4u53w1t2: Salon-Bolschewist; +269|6712|Kakanien

Shahter wrote:
Stubbee wrote:

it's legal to openly discuss homosexuality with others in russia.
could anyone openly and legally discuss homosexuality with a 16 year old ?
yes.

sure. he wouldn't get into trouble. L O L

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2oh3h3DvY0

2013-10-01 08:35:57

#398

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7014|Moscow, Russia

cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
Shahter wrote:
Stubbee wrote:

could anyone openly and legally discuss homosexuality with a 16 year old ?
yes.
sure. he wouldn't get into trouble. L O L

i did discuss homosexuality with a kid. openly, while on the bus on her way to school. didn't get into any trouble. lol yourself.

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2013-10-01 08:38:39

#399

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6955

did you tell him that its ok to be gay?

2013-10-01 08:40:05

#400

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7014|Moscow, Russia

yes

edit: her.

Last edited by Shahter (2013-10-01 08:40:18)

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