DrunkFace
Germans did 911
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Cybargs wrote:

well murdoch could always get his aussie citizenship back though. but still, fair and balanced mr murdoch.
Will never happen.

Murdoch became a naturalized citizen to satisfy the legal requirement that only US citizens were permitted to own US television stations.
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|6745|Noizyland

Jay wrote:

I read the whole thing. It was just more whining about Labour losing
Then you completely misinterpreted it.

For the reasons outlined in the post Jay claims he read I'm not convinced the election is as clear-cut as it is being presented. I still expect the LNP to win but I wouldn't be surprised if there was another hung parliament. I'm probably being a bit naive to expect a Labor victory but I don't count it out and nor do I expect a complete ALP annihilation either. The polls and Murdoch newspapers, (and subsequently other news outlets,) keep predicting an hefty defeat for Labor but I'm not seeing it - and I'm also mindful of the flaws in the polling as I outlined before.

Polling on policies suggests a much more even split with Labor probably being ahead just because the majority like ALP broadband better and even support the mining tax and carbon pricing, (though not necessarily in their current form.) When leaders are considered it's not conclusive either. Even the latest Newspoll with Abbott leading was within the margin of error and you could say they're just as unlikable as each other. On leaders debates Rudd could be said to have won all of them, (not that you can really say that conclusively, there were no obvious victories,) which represents a bit of a boost. But the most telling thing from those debates is how many undecided voters there still are. This could mean a range of things, one of which is more people voting for minor parties meaning the Government could be determined by preferences. And when the Greens work closely with Labor, when Katter has a deal with them in Qld, and when Palmer, others, and independents are largely unaffiliated, Labor has the potential to get a further boost from this. Enough to win? Probably not, but certainly enough to make it an interesting contest.

Fully prepared to be dead wrong. I definitely realise I'm biased and I could be misreading things to suit that bias. If I'm right though I'll probably never shut up about it so everyone should probably hope that I don't know what I'm talking about.
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tazz.
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if you're actually bothering:

http://www.belowtheline.org.au/

Has an interesting view of all the parties and their preference also.

I laughed at the name of the Help End Marijuana Prohibition... Acronym (HEMP) .. lol.

Also the "Stop the Greens" ... who don't actually have the greens last, but socialist parties.

such musings.

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everything i write is a ramble and should not be taken seriously.... seriously.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
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i'm actually impressed by the work going into this
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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AussieReaper
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+5,761|6123|what

Dilbert_X wrote:

Voting below the line it is then

Nick Xenophon Group
Nick Xenophon Group
Liberal
Liberal
Liberal
Liberal
Katter's Australian Party
Katter's Australian Party
National Party
National Party
Liberal Democrats
Liberal Democrats
Australian Democrats
Australian Democrats
Animal Justice Party
Animal Justice Party
Country Alliance
Country Alliance
Stable Population Party
Stable Population Party
Building Australia Party
Building Australia Party
Stop The Greens
Stop The Greens
Australian Independents
Australian Independents
Australian Fishing and Lifestyle Party
Australian Fishing and Lifestyle Party
Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party
Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party
Sex Party
Sex Party
Shooters and Fishers
Shooters and Fishers
No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics
No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics
Smokers Rights
Smokers Rights
Independent
Independent
Voluntary Euthanasia Party
Voluntary Euthanasia Party
Palmer United Party
Palmer United Party
Drug Law Reform
Drug Law Reform
Secular Party of Australia
Secular Party of Australia
Help End Marijuana Prohibition (HEMP) Party
Help End Marijuana Prohibition (HEMP) Party
Rise Up Australia Party
Rise Up Australia Party
Independent?
Independent?
Independent?
Independent?
Australian Christians
Australian Christians
Socialist Equality Party
Socialist Equality Party
One Nation
One Nation
Family First
Family First
Family First
Australian Greens
Australian Greens
Australian Greens
DLP Democratic Labour
DLP Democratic Labour
Australian Labor Party
Australian Labor Party
Australian Labor Party
WIKILEAKS!
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Ty
Mass Media Casualty
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Don't know what Assange was thinking doing this. He's not a bad singer though.
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jord
Member
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that radio advert that sounds like a drunk driving advert but really it's about voting for tony Abbott.

yeah that shits really stupid, you should stop it.
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|6745|Noizyland

FUCK this guy is a creep...

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Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
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Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
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Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|6745|Noizyland

Joe's dropping the Coalition costings now. He looks sweaty and uncomfortable but I'm not sure if he looks any more sweaty and uncomfortable than usual.
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I think slightly more uncomfortable, and a lot sweatier.
Fatness level unchanged, thats something.
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6645|Canberra, AUS
so today sure was one great big dump of stupid hey
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6636|NT, like Mick Dundee

Not super fussed about which major party takes control. As long as those nutbags in the rise up australia party don't get any seats. I was following them on fb for a while for a laugh but some of the things they come out with are straight up offensive.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Cybargs
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Spark wrote:

so today sure was one great big dump of stupid hey
clive palmer top lel. tony abbott cutting foreign aid... what a day.
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AussieReaper
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+5,761|6123|what

Resigned to having the coalition win, but damn it I want labor's NBN.
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Cybargs
Moderated
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AussieReaper wrote:

Resigned to having the coalition win, but damn it I want labor's NBN.
hopefully abbott is anti-nbn because he's anti-labour. they better not fuck this shit up.
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unnamednewbie13
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Jaekus wrote:

An American would have been too paranoid to turn over personal information for that reason.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6645|Canberra, AUS

Cybargs wrote:

Spark wrote:

so today sure was one great big dump of stupid hey
clive palmer top lel. tony abbott cutting foreign aid... what a day.
i can't remember ever seeing a political party on the verge of forming office treat voters with such contempt before. that document they released... dear me. and it'd be great if we could actually hear what some of their candidates have to say for once...
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|6745|Noizyland

It's not a policy costings document, it just shows a lot of numbers and adds and subtracts them - it it next to worthless. The most important thing in a costing document is to display assumptions, to show how these numbers that they are adding and subtracting have been arrived at. The Coalition has released nothing on this.

Of course it's all up to be torn up anyway with Tony's audit.
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Jaekus
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Why An Abbott Election Victory Would Be Good
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Look, we can't all move to New Zealand – but this election might actually be a positive thing…

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Dear Fellow Left Wing People,

First up: yes, I know. I feel it too. That desperate confusion, that disappointment, that anger. We're not a small-minded, petty, terrified people… are we? Really?  At a time when we have the planet’s most robust economy we're going to ignore the fact and sniffily proclaim that we want more, all the while refusing to help desperate people – in comparatively tiny amounts, by international standards – who are so in love with the idea of Australia/not being persecuted that they risk their lives in the hope of enjoying freedoms that most of us take for granted, and some of us actively resent. Voting? That's a Saturday morning pissed away. Thank you very much, democracy.

But when I think of an Abbott victory, I think the following:

Good.

Not good because he’ll be a great leader – we’re about to get our own George W Bush, a man who can’t open his mouth without providing the world with a new malapropism and who is prepared to destroy his country rather than entertain the possibility that his political and economic philosophy is flawed, not to say straight-up mistaken.

Not good because it will be a positive time for anyone who's not a mining magnate or a media baron. If you’re not wealthy, you’re in for a difficult few years – and if you like things like education, healthcare, environmental protection, workers rights, refugee rights, gender equality or any of that kind of thing, you’re going be getting angrier and angrier.

And that’s what’s good. That’s what we need.

Think about it. Even if Rudd sneaks in on Saturday via some mathematically-improbable fluke, what’s the likely scenario?

We'll get three years of Labor desperately trying to keep the middle ground – no shift on asylum policy, probably some destructive efforts to get an entirely-symbolic budget surplus – with a probably uncooperative Senate and a stronger opposition leader – my money's on Joe Hockey – with the weight of the Murdoch press behind them hammering home the message that everything would have been better if you’d just voted a Coalition government in. Rudd will be an ineffectual leader in an even weaker position than Gillard was in, there'll be another election, a Libslide, and we will welcome another Howard-esque conservative dynasty.

But if Abbott wins?

We already know he can’t open his mouth without saying the exact wrong thing. We already know that he’s terrible on policy, can’t think on his feet and dodges responsibility. At the moment he can largely get away with blaming the government; once he’s Prime Minister, that’s not an option anymore. He will look like what he is: a man of narrow views and narrower knowledge woefully out of his depth.

And look at the Abbott front bench: it's a viper’s nest. They’re not supporting Abbott because they think he’s an inspiring leader, since he’s demonstrated comprehensively that he’s not: they've backed him because the greatest strength they have had against Labor over the last 18 months has been in presenting a united front.

Once they’re in power this bunch of smart, ambitious and shrewd politicians are going to be a lot less forgiving of a leader who's an obvious and embarrassing liability. Hockey isn’t going to fade back into the benches. Neither is Turnbull. Neither is Bishop. Neither is Morrison. Those squabbles have been sublimated for the time being because they had a common enemy: Labor. Once in power, they’ll have a different common enemy: each other.

Abbott will also almost certainly face a hostile Senate, with Greens and most of the sitting independents already indicating an unwillingness to pass many of his tentpole promises. He's already implied that he'll ask for a double dissolution if his agenda is not passed, which means that Labor, the Greens and the minor parties now have a chance to buy themselves another year of campaigning ahead of another election. Don't worry about winning on Saturday, hopefuls: worry about winning after the Libs implode a bit down the track.

If there's a double dissolution we will see an ineffective leader throwing a tantrum, and the Australian public are not going to thank him for calling us all back to another Saturday at the polls before we absolutely have to (and incidentally, it's easier for a Senator to get up in a DD scenario as the quotas are halved. Want to get more independents and small parties clogging up your upper house? Call a double dissolution).

Meanwhile Labor in opposition will be stripped back to the MPs and Senators who’ve kept the faith of their electorates. The embarrassments and the dead wood that have made the last two years so difficult for the party will be gone. And those that are likely to survive – Anthony Albanese, Penny Wong et al – are no fools.

So what do we do for the next three years? We fight. We hold on to every asinine headline in the Murdoch press this week, and we use it as a stick to beat them with when the Coalition fail to deliver. We stop bitching on Twitter and start campaigning for the progressive causes we support (hell, it's an early summer, the weather's lovely for marching). We give Labor an incentive to move back to the left, because there are enough of us to be worth listening to.

But most importantly, as those depressing numbers come in on Saturday night, we remember that there is one great final secret about the Left, and it is this: in the long run, we always win.

Change never comes as quickly as we want it to, and it's often in a frustrating two-steps-forward-one-step-back waltz rather than a decisive sprint, but look at the Australia of 2013 compared with ten years back. Or twenty years back. Or forty. There are always new battles to fight, and specific issues like asylum seeker policy or workplace rights or interventions in remote indigenous communities have seen some humiliating retreats in recent times, but eventually things progress.

The Coalition wasn't at all interested in carbon schemes or marriage equality under Howard; now they know that they have to at least acknowledge these issues, if only to stall movement on them – and stalling only works for so long. These changes are often slow and incremental so we can be forgiven for not noticing at the time, but when you look at the bigger picture it's clear: Australia progresses. Consensus takes time but ultimately we're going to win. We always do.

But in the short term we need to stop being lazy, we need to stop being complacent, and we need to start working together. Hell, I'm more guilty than most in thinking a snarky Facebook status or a punchy tweet has fulfilled my community obligations: I need to lift my game, and so do you. It'll be easier if we all do it together, and then we can totally get a drink afterwards. I'll get the first round in.

And that is why I look at the forthcoming Abbott government as an emetic: it will make us feel incredibly sick, absolutely, but that’s how we vomit the poison out.

Your comrade,

Andrew P Street
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|6745|Noizyland

If Rudd wins Abbott quits, and there's simply far too much entertainment value left in him for that to be a good thing. Though if Rudd quits upon a loss I will miss his many hand gestures.

Keen for tomorrow's result. It will be interesting to see if some of my theories and suspicions are correct or whether I've spent the last three years sinking deeper in to a sort of psychosis. Either way, if Rudd wins I get to celebrate the unlikely schadenfreude of Abbott being the biggest political failure in Australia's history. If Abbott wins I get to watch as he collapses under the weight of being an ill-prepared idiot PM or get pleasantly surprised if he turns out to be adequate. I can't lose.
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Jaekus
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Abbott will marginally win and be somewhat adequate in limited ways but still have his embarrassing moments. He'll eventually either lose the next election or be toppled by his own party due to the couple law suits waiting in the wings. The Libs hate change so they will fight tooth and nail to preserve anything, no matter how wrong, because that's what conservatives do. He is a liability and will not last one term, and anyone with half a brain knows this.
Cybargs
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only reason libs havent taken abbott off is because they dont want to have leadership issues like labour.
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