Firstly we're not talking about citizenship. Secondly it is legal to seek asylum in Australia, it doesn't matter how you arrive or what your means are.Dilbert_X wrote:
Yes, thats how the system works, refugees don't get to pick the country which takes them. Taking a boat to Aus and expecting to be offered citizenship is subverting the internationally agreed system.
inoriteJaekus wrote:
Arguing with ignorance is futility.
But thats what they want.Firstly we're not talking about citizenship.
Yup, you have to have an actual case though, wanting to live somewhere with a better lifestyle isn't it.Secondly it is legal to seek asylum in Australia
Actually it does, since asylum seekers are supposed to claim asylum in the first safe country they reach, not country-hop until they reach somewhere nice.it doesn't matter how you arrive or what your means are
And you accuse me of ignoranceJaekus wrote:
"supposed to"
lol. Didn't know there were rules about seeking asylum.
Note the word "directly"."The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence. (Article 31, (1))
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its like 10%. 12k a year come by boat, which means thats 1k people. there are way more people (looking at you pommies) that come to aus under false immigration pretenses and they break their visa conditions.Dilbert_X wrote:
Many people claiming asylum are clearly making bogus claims.
I see you're voting for Abbott this election.Dilbert_X wrote:
Many people claiming asylum are clearly making bogus claims, there is an asylum processing system, and a refugee lottery system both of which are effectively queues, bogus asylum seekers will be displacing genuine asylum seekers, and technically if an 'asylum seeker' does not make their claim at the first country they come to then they can be treated as illegals.
I'm not sure what you're claiming exactly, you're exposing your own ignorance really.
Yes poms are migrating by illegal means. they make false claims on their visas, hence migration fraud you dolt.Dilbert_X wrote:
Nope, 50k/yr are currently coming by boat, mostly they haven't been assessed yet so we'll see.
POMs aren't generally claiming political asylum or refugee status here, or migrating illegally by some other means.
Cybargs wrote:
Yes poms are migrating by illegal means. they make false claims on their visas, hence migration fraud you dolt.Dilbert_X wrote:
Nope, 50k/yr are currently coming by boat, mostly they haven't been assessed yet so we'll see.
POMs aren't generally claiming political asylum or refugee status here, or migrating illegally by some other means.
where you get your 50k a year number from?
http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/ … atArrivals
Last year was 13k, year before was 17k.
lol 50k/yr my ass
lolDilbert_X wrote:
So what I am I ignorant of exactly?
I have a more detailed knowledge of the asylum system than you clearly do.
What?
Nothing intelligent to say again eh?Jaekus wrote:
I see you're voting for Abbott this election.
For example? Show me some figures. Why is it OK for asians to break the rules but not poms then?Cybargs wrote:
Yes poms are migrating by illegal means. they make false claims on their visas applications, hence migration fraud you dolt.
Nope, looking at the web page you quote:where you get your 50k a year number from?
http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/ … atArrivals
Last year was 13k, year before was 17k.
lol 50k/yr my ass
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Abbott seemed confident and full of shit, Rudd seemed rattled and angry but trying hard to be the cheery and smarmy Mr Nice.Ty wrote:
Anyone watch the debate? It doesn't air here, (obviously,) so I'll be looking at the fallout tomorrow whatever it is. I hope Abbott made an arse of himself but I imagine the LNP would have prepared very carefully.
pretty much sums up your ignorance. zurr my god stop the people coming in who are fleeing persecution! but lets not talk about all those poms who overstay illegally and come under false pretenses."Political leaders continue to add to public fears about people arriving by boat but they make little or no effort to put the small number of asylum seekers entering Australia into any global context. Little attention is paid to the fact that so many asylum seekers who arrive by boat are found to have well-founded fears of persecution."
goddamn theres 3 times as many brits coming in illegally as people who try to make false claims on aslyum!Figures obtained by The Advertiser from the Immigration Department and under the Freedom of Information Act show plane arrivals from the United States (5080) and Britain (3610) are near the top of the list of those in the country without a valid visa.
