Cybargs
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Macbeth wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Okay. Please explain how a Korean store on a corner of the hood helps grow the local economy.
how does it not?
Are you really this dumb?
so youre telling me the local korean store, which hires people, pays taxes, has local suppliers somehow doesn't help grow the local economy? What difference does it make if its opened by a whitey or a black guy.
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Macbeth
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Cybargs wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

how does it not?
Are you really this dumb?
so youre telling me the local korean store, which hires people, pays taxes, has local suppliers somehow doesn't help grow the local economy? What difference does it make if its opened by a whitey or a black guy.
Because the store doesn't hire from the local community. The Korean store brings in people from outside of community. As in from another city's community. The taxes go to the state not the local people. The supplies aren't bought locally either. They aren't buying milk wholesale from the local black people. If you want to replace Korean with French or something else so your Asian side isn't offended please go ahead but the races isn't the point. It is that they are sucking money out without contributing anything back. If the Wal-Mart can give local people jobs and cheaper shit than it is no lose if they blow out every Korean store in the city.
Cybargs
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you really seem to hate local korean stores. did a girl working there break your heart or some shit?

why dont black people open up their own store.

you sound like this black lady

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It isn't about the race of the store you fucking idiot.
Cybargs
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Macbeth wrote:

It isn't about the race of the store you fucking idiot.
then whats your point. of course opening up a store in an area helps the local economy you dolt. you think a korean store doesn't won't have the same supplier a black store owner would? top. lel.
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Macbeth
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Like I said at the start, it is an example of a small business that doesn't contribute anything back. A black store is still worthless compared to the Wal-Mart. A Korean store is just a more obvious example of a small business not worth protecting from a chain outlet.
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Extra Medium wrote:

I really can't see anything of value he will ever contribute to society.  He's going to be one of those people that swindle some shit idiot company to pay him a wage for some bullshit literary service that no one will use.  He'll be the guy at the coffee shop in the morning talking to other losers that contribute nothing to society about how the world is shit and if everyone just thought the same as them things would be better.



Seriously Uzi, WHAT will you ever contribute to society?  I'm seriously curious about what you will give back to the world.
my career will involve writing books, giving lectures, and teaching university students. i don't really think you can argue that digging ditches or being in roughneck work is really 'adding' more to human progress than people that teach further generations, and add original contributions to knowledge. i mean i know blue-collar workers like to pride themselves on inane facts like "the country wouldn't run if the roads weren't built", but i mean who are you kidding. it's the lawyers and businessmen and high-level researchers and well-educated who really make the cogs run in an advanced tertiary-sector finance/services economy. the western nations' only world-leading ability nowadays is in the realms of finance/services and knowledge capital (i.e. education). that's their main strength. not manufacturing or blue-collar work. the rest of the world will do your work, cheaper. and it's only going one way in the future, given a long-enough time frame. but keep telling yourself that the non-college educated 'add more'. in 100 or 250 years' time i'll still have books with my name on the shelf. nobody is gonna be enquiring who dug the ditch they rolled their ATV into when drunk on moonshine.

macbeth stores run by immigrants are terrible examples. it is precisely specious because they are unusual: they send money home to family. most small stores in most small towns of the states are not run by a korean. it's not exactly as if giant supermarkets are a real problem in new york anyway, for the local economy.

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Steve-0 wrote:

why would i take your advice, or when, poofter?
you have no reason to, and i couldn't care less if you did or not. however anyone with 15 minutes and the search function can see that the moment you changed from pro-uzi to anti-uzi was the moment i started saying 'enough' to your frankly embarrassing drunken rants. spill as much bile about me as you want, old man, the only negative words i've ever said to you are about your drinking problem. if you didn't like hearing it, you should have stopped routinely trashing the forums and locking threads like a petulant child after one too many glasses of wine. i don't read a single thing you say to me seriously anymore, because i know that's the place it comes from: low level denial.

also i don't know how many times i have to tell you this, but i won extremely competitive scholarships to cover my education. i've even posted pictures of fees-receipts on here before. i'm not taking anything from 'the public tit' or "daddies accountant". i won it. based on my own ability. one out of an applying pool of 400+. i know this complicates your dumb image of me as a 'leecher', rather than someone who could have earned their keep, but don't let the seething envy eat you up. there are better things to spend your time thinking about.

by the way i know 'poofter' is a rather england-specific word, but it's on the same level of insult here as calling someone a "golly idiot". if you were trying to be funny, rather than insulting, you could use the word 'poofter'. it's 15 levels of insult below even 'douche'. please try again.

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Dilbert_X
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Guys, the word you're looking for is faggot.
Maybe Eurofag, it doesn't matter, although thats barely an insult since most Euros are fags.
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Uzique The Lesser
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yes calling a straight person a 'faggot' is also deeply wounding, and makes you look very intelligent.

'faggot' reminds me of the 90's and nu-metal. a lot of homo-erotic moshers all very hasty to call one another gay. hmmm.
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I liked the 80s better, no-one was ashamed to be a faggot

Black people ruined the club scene with their hyper-masculinity as a shield for their faggotry.
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Uzique The Lesser
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uuuh the club-scene originated with black people and gays. often at the same time. might want to check your history.
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Thats what I just said, dur.
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Uzique The Lesser
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hyper-masculinity? i don't think you've ever been in a club. new york's loft parties in the 70's and 80's were not "hyper-masculine".

the first ever clubnight was called 'love saves the day'. figure it out.

all that 80's hyper-masculinity in the club scene.

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Dilbert_X
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Late 80s-90s clubbing was about black men trying to compensate for their faggot history no?

I thought that was where rap music came from.
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Uzique The Lesser
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clubbing and rap music are not related. rap music has never been a 'club' genre. hip-hop, maybe. west/east coast rap had nothing to do with night-clubs. the late 80's in club-music was the turn from disco and instrumental music towards machine-music: (acid) house, techno. ecstasy, air-horns, neon-clothing. not exactly the sort of environment you'd catch a gangster-rapper in, looking tough.

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and where does this idea of 'compensation' come into anything? clubs were dark and anonymous spaces where people could go and be liberated, to act as they please. hence why marginalized peoples - blacks, queers, the eccentric andy warhol types - were the first people to really use them. they were places where gay men could pick up gay men without getting busted by cops. places where people could take drugs and dance all night and act as lasciviously as they pleased. no 'compensation'. no 'fronting'. no 'hyper-masculinity'. the whole idea of clubs is a place to be free of social constraints. nobody 'acts up' in them. they're very egalitarian spaces. everyone is left to pursue their own idea of pleasure.

you really haven't ever been to a proper nightclub have you?

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Dilbert_X
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Not the ghetto-trash gay pickup joints you clearly frequent, no.
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Uzique The Lesser
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seeing as the majority of people who go clubbing are straight people seeking straight people, i wouldn't say the fact they have equal regard and don't care about gay people makes them 'gay pickup joints'. nice casual homophobia though. what a sad little man. so insecure. i'm sure it's a big deal for you to go to a nightclub where there may be gay people having fun as well as straight people. a real challenge.
Cybargs
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so about minimum wage...
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Uzique The Lesser
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blame dilbert for side-tracking the discussion with his etymological fascination with the word 'faggot', blacks, and nightclubs.

i.e. scared shitless white man syndrome.
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Whether the local Korean store contributes to the community or not depends on the Korean store's interaction with, and effect upon it's local community, and its not just about employing locals.

Even if they're being openly racist and only hiring Koreans, if they're bringing a greater choice of products or more price competition to the local area, thats still a contribution of sorts.  Granted its not a direct financial contribution, but saving 10c+/item from your weekly shop across 1000s of people is, and you can't argue that giving the area more choice of food isn't another form of contribution.
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or save people from driving forever to get to a store, coz the koreans are the only ones ballsy enough to open up in a black neighborhood.
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Macbeth
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It isn't about the race. Lets drop the Korean part so that Cyborg isn't offended.

Price competition isn't something many small businesses especially in rural areas have to worry about. Usually they are the only game in town. They have a captive customer base that has no choice but to buy at the rates the small business sets.

Lets compare this again to Wal-Mart which has obscenely low prices on a vast range and options of items.

I am not only talking about Wal-Marts. A small CVS provides many more benefits to a small neighbourhood than an independent corner store.

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Cybargs
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yeah because every mom and pop store is a monopoly.
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Just about the only valid argument against minimum wage is that it forces stores to hire less people, but is easily countered by saying that the alternative blackmails people with few or no alternatives into staying employed with companies who pay near-slavery wages and is an ugly blemish on any society that takes part in it. And saying "but...but...cheap food!" is kind of like excusing your low-priced cardigan sweater of having been manufactured in a sweat shop because it's colorful and comfy and "at least keeps people 'employed.'"

I don't really have an answer. Maybe to be fair, it should be allowed to fluctuate with company income and the employment rate on a state-by-state basis, but that would make things a bit complex.

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