For me the elderly by the majority have earned their right to their benefits and the young are vulnerable and need support to become self sustaining and productive adults. It's mainly obese people I have issue with as they drive up health care costs, along with smokers.
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unless youre america where everything is privitize. for smokers and fatties in aus... they paid their fair share in fat tax and ciggie taxes.Jaekus wrote:
For me the elderly by the majority have earned their right to their benefits and the young are vulnerable and need support to become self sustaining and productive adults. It's mainly obese people I have issue with as they drive up health care costs, along with smokers.
do smokers and fat people pay more taxes than non-smokers and non-fatties (excluding the minimal tobacco tax)? no. so really the average, healthy, non-idiotic citizen is subsidizing a whole lot of dumb.
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Sin taxes.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
do smokers and fat people pay more taxes than non-smokers and non-fatties (excluding the minimal tobacco tax)? no. so really the average, healthy, non-idiotic citizen is subsidizing a whole lot of dumb.
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doesn't counter my argument because I've already said old people are my number one societal bugbear. my point was smoking and drinking costs the public purse more than illegal drugs. dilbert was making a remark about "people who think they're special and can do what they want", obviously referring to my liberal view on personal drug use.
Depends, if they've underpaid in tax and pension contributions and the govt has borrowed on their behalf to make up the shortfall then they haven't really earned anything, and not my support in old age, they're deep in debt effectively.Jaekus wrote:
For me the elderly by the majority have earned their right to their benefits and the young are vulnerable and need support to become self sustaining and productive adults. It's mainly obese people I have issue with as they drive up health care costs, along with smokers.
Generally speaking this is the case for the boomer generation.
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Do we know this for sure? When you add in mental health issues I bet drug use costs a fortune, and bearing in mind there is no tax on illegal drugs I'm doubtful use is a net tax contributor in the way tobacco is.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
my point was smoking and drinking costs the public purse more than illegal drugs.
You have to pay university fees to get a well-paid position in academia, whereas my generation didn't but the pay was relatively poor.i have to 'buy my way' into the system? what does that even mean? pretty much 90% of academics in salaried/tenured jobs got there because they're in the top 5-10% of graduates who managed to snowball prizes/scholarships/continued funding.
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dilbert the study i already listed you counted mental health issues (as well as costs to family and businesses) and already demonstrated, for australia at least, that the cost to the public (and business) purse is far more for smoking/alcohol. it just is, period.
and yes, you have to pay fees to get university-educated. it does add an extra level of investment/debt burden that wasn't there before. but by no means is it a 'pay your money and get a job' situation. in fact, by some perverse logic of exceptionality, the only people who get good gigs in academia are those who have managed to win/achieve their way through a route of waived course-fees and scholarships.
i had to loan about £10k for my master's though, just to live. which i guess is unavoidable so long as the UK doesn't value scholars enough to give them research stipends/living allocations. certainly different in europe - and not to their detriment.
and yes, you have to pay fees to get university-educated. it does add an extra level of investment/debt burden that wasn't there before. but by no means is it a 'pay your money and get a job' situation. in fact, by some perverse logic of exceptionality, the only people who get good gigs in academia are those who have managed to win/achieve their way through a route of waived course-fees and scholarships.
i had to loan about £10k for my master's though, just to live. which i guess is unavoidable so long as the UK doesn't value scholars enough to give them research stipends/living allocations. certainly different in europe - and not to their detriment.
Right, so its OK if the average person now has to pay fees to boost academics pay-packets, so long as the elite still get to go for free
The UK is financially broken, scholarly research into esoteric subjects just isn't top of the list for govt spending, it only was for a fairly brief period.
The UK is financially broken, scholarly research into esoteric subjects just isn't top of the list for govt spending, it only was for a fairly brief period.
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the elite still get to go free? am i missing something here? the only people who get to go through university for 'free' are the 1%'ers who win scholarships. if you're really trying to construe that negatively as some sort of institution-hopping 'elite', i really don't know what to say to you. yes, they are elite, but not in the pejorative class-sense as usually used: they are just the best at what they do. so university funds are allocated to them in order to produce better work. how are you seeing something wrong with that system? i'm starting to think you literally have a mental problem when it comes to academics.
and yes the crushing 0.5% of the national budget that higher-education and research consumes is really contributing to the 'broken-ness' of the UK/europe. woe be academia for wanting its tiny research allocations! the banks have bust the continent, so let's scrap all public arts, all support for culture, and let's totally wipe-out the universities. it's the only reasonable response! they deserved it, damn freeloaders. meanwhile let's continue valorising rich dudes and capitalists, because they are clearly doing it all so right.
and yes the crushing 0.5% of the national budget that higher-education and research consumes is really contributing to the 'broken-ness' of the UK/europe. woe be academia for wanting its tiny research allocations! the banks have bust the continent, so let's scrap all public arts, all support for culture, and let's totally wipe-out the universities. it's the only reasonable response! they deserved it, damn freeloaders. meanwhile let's continue valorising rich dudes and capitalists, because they are clearly doing it all so right.
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