BF2S Forums Immigration discussion thread

Dilbert_X wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

What does secure the border even mean though?  Even the Soviets who were ordered to shoot deserters couldn't prevent people from escaping to West Berlin.  What is the criteria for a "secure" border?

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

That only applied to Northern Europeans though.

Irish Catholics in America have a vibrant memory of humiliating job discrimination, which featured omnipresent signs proclaiming "Help Wanted--No Irish Need Apply!" No one has ever seen one of these NINA signs because they were extremely rare or nonexistent. The market for female household workers occasionally specified religion or nationality. Newspaper ads for women sometimes did include NINA, but Irish women nevertheless dominated the market for domestics because they provided a reliable supply of an essential service. Newspaper ads for men with NINA were exceedingly rare. The slogan was commonplace in upper class London by 1820; in 1862 in London there was a song, "No Irish Need Apply," purportedly by a maid looking for work. The song reached America and was modified to depict a man recently arrived in America who sees a NINA ad and confronts and beats up the culprit. The song was an immediate hit, and is the source of the myth. Evidence from the job market shows no significant discrimination against the Irish--on the contrary, employers eagerly sought them out. Some Americans feared the Irish because of their religion, their use of violence, and their threat to democratic elections. By the Civil War these fears had subsided and there were no efforts to exclude Irish immigrants. The Irish worked in gangs in job sites they could control by force. The NINA slogan told them they had to stick together against the Protestant Enemy, in terms of jobs and politics. The NINA myth justified physical assaults, and persisted because it aided ethnic solidarity. After 1940 the solidarity faded away, yet NINA remained as a powerful memory.

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - The scene of Sweden's worst riots in years, Husby is on the surface at least a typically neat suburb of colorful playgrounds, manicured parks and low rise apartment buildings.

Conversations with residents of this immigrant neighborhood soon bring tales of fruitless job hunts, police harassment, racial taunts and a feeling of living at the margins that are at odds with Sweden's reputation for openness and tolerance.

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Sweden riots expose ugly side of 'Nordic model'

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - The scene of Sweden's worst riots in years, Husby is on the surface at least a typically neat suburb of colorful playgrounds, manicured parks and low rise apartment buildings.

Conversations with residents of this immigrant neighborhood soon bring tales of fruitless job hunts, police harassment, racial taunts and a feeling of living at the margins that are at odds with Sweden's reputation for openness and tolerance.

Ah hahaha. Was linked from a the biggest conservative blog. Want to hear what Americans think of Swedish immigration policy?
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/sweden-riots-e … 50025.html

the only thing the 'sweden riots' show is that people won't stand for police/the state coming into their neighbourhood and shooting their citizens. for all of your guns and talk of independence/the patriot spirit in the united states, you are remarkably resigned about the police shooting people, or exercising force. places like sweden and france riot whenever the police overstep the mark and kill someone. london burned  2 summers ago because someone was shot by the police. it doesn't have anything to do with immigration policy.

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Sweden riots expose ugly side of 'Nordic model'

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - The scene of Sweden's worst riots in years, Husby is on the surface at least a typically neat suburb of colorful playgrounds, manicured parks and low rise apartment buildings.

Conversations with residents of this immigrant neighborhood soon bring tales of fruitless job hunts, police harassment, racial taunts and a feeling of living at the margins that are at odds with Sweden's reputation for openness and tolerance.

Ah hahaha. Was linked from a the biggest conservative blog. Want to hear what Americans think of Swedish immigration policy?
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/sweden-riots-e … 50025.html

the only thing the 'sweden riots' show is that people won't stand for police/the state coming into their neighbourhood and shooting their citizens. for all of your guns and talk of independence/the patriot spirit in the united states, you are remarkably resigned about the police shooting people, or exercising force. places like sweden and france riot whenever the police overstep the mark and kill someone. london burned  2 summers ago because someone was shot by the police. it doesn't have anything to do with immigration policy.