Oversimplifying a complex issue to believe you're astute and intelligent...
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lol yeah. if only 85% of the UK government had engineering degrees, we'd be world #1 again, amirite.Dilbert_X wrote:
Which is why the country is broken.
plenty of life opportunities for science grads too, i have to concede
Everyone in Federal Parliament is educated to some degree. Doesn't mean they're intelligent.Dilbert_X wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I think he's evil, but at least he's educated.
"Tony's evil but at least he has the fundamental knowledge it takes to live in society."
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dilbert is a good example of someone who is educated to some degree, but lacks ordinary reasonable intelligence.Ty wrote:
Everyone in Federal Parliament is educated to some degree. Doesn't mean they're intelligent.Dilbert_X wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I think he's evil, but at least he's educated.
"Tony's evil but at least he has the fundamental knowledge it takes to live in society."
lol, I taught kids the guitar for a few years, by definition they're educated too. Doesn't mean I want them in charge of the country.Ty wrote:
Everyone in Federal Parliament is educated to some degree. Doesn't mean they're intelligent.Dilbert_X wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I think he's evil, but at least he's educated.
"Tony's evil but at least he has the fundamental knowledge it takes to live in society."
i think the idea is that 'formal education doesn't mean an intelligent or astute leader'. not "any sort of education in the widest possible meaning of the word".Jaekus wrote:
lol, I taught kids the guitar for a few years, by definition they're educated too. Doesn't mean I want them in charge of the country.Ty wrote:
Everyone in Federal Parliament is educated to some degree. Doesn't mean they're intelligent.Dilbert_X wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I think he's evil, but at least he's educated.
"Tony's evil but at least he has the fundamental knowledge it takes to live in society."
That wasn't meant to mock Dilbert, more an acknowledgment that he's probably right. I've been trying to come up with what could be called a positive attribute for Tony and I think "he's educated" is probably the best one so far.
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acknowledging that people with humanities educations cannot run a country? and should work in a supermarket? you're being very hard on yourself there, ty.Ty wrote:
That wasn't meant to mock Dilbert, more an acknowledgment that he's probably right. I've been trying to come up with what could be called a positive attribute for Tony and I think "he's educated" is probably the best one so far.
Taking it to the ridiculous level to be sure but saying he's educated is like saying "they're not management material but at least they know how to read and write". It's a dumb comment and totally glosses over his glaring flaws, one being he couldn't negotiate a deal to sell beer to a pub, another being he can't handle a challenging question on even a basic level.
This is a former Liberal PM - the same party Tony Abbott is the current leader for.
This is a former Liberal PM - the same party Tony Abbott is the current leader for.
You're pissing on a Rhodes scholar who graduated from Oxford?Uzique The Lesser wrote:
i think the idea is that 'formal education doesn't mean an intelligent or astute leader'. not "any sort of education in the widest possible meaning of the word".
My God.
Fuck Israel
i'm not pissing on anyone. i don't know the man well enough, nor would i. i'm just saying the rhodes scholarship has an extra-curricular value as being a king-maker, a promoter of 'future world leaders'. not everyone who gets a rhodes scholarship is necessarily a genius. it is not a genius grant. it's more to do with establishment careerism. a great educational achievement, nonetheless - i'm just pointing out its 'institutional' role.Dilbert_X wrote:
You're pissing on a Rhodes scholar who graduated from Oxford?Uzique The Lesser wrote:
i think the idea is that 'formal education doesn't mean an intelligent or astute leader'. not "any sort of education in the widest possible meaning of the word".
My God.
quite funny you place a high esteem on the rhodes, when you don't know much about it (yet again). quite funny you'd defend something like that when:
though nowadays, as i said, it's more about promising careerists, and getting them onboard with the universityFor at least its first 75 years, scholars usually studied for a Bachelor of Arts degree.
While that remains an option, more recent scholars usually study for an advanced degree
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honestly though? i've met tony abbott, i've seen him talk pre-leadership in an off-the-record way.
he didn't really come across the way he does now at all. so one has to ask how much of what we see is tony abbott and how much of it is peta credlin - there's a strong sense amongst close watchers of the lnp that the tony abbott we see is a deliberate caricature created for him by credlin and his senior staff.
which doesn't speak well of him as a leader, of course.
he didn't really come across the way he does now at all. so one has to ask how much of what we see is tony abbott and how much of it is peta credlin - there's a strong sense amongst close watchers of the lnp that the tony abbott we see is a deliberate caricature created for him by credlin and his senior staff.
which doesn't speak well of him as a leader, of course.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Newspoll day which means that you're either hearing that:
- PM Julia Gillard trails Tony Abbott by five points in the preferred PM stakes while Labor still trails the Coalition by 14% in the primary vote.
or
- PM Julia Gillard's approval rating has risen and Labor has narrowed the Coalition's lead in the primary vote.
Ahh, media.
- PM Julia Gillard trails Tony Abbott by five points in the preferred PM stakes while Labor still trails the Coalition by 14% in the primary vote.
or
- PM Julia Gillard's approval rating has risen and Labor has narrowed the Coalition's lead in the primary vote.
Ahh, media.
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so NSW signed up. victoria and SA will be next.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
if i hear another person lamenting how ignored and under-appreciated and subverted the cause of the anzacs are when they get their own fucking holiday, with massive amounts of media coverage, multiple dedicated sporting events, a week's buildup and the associated groan-inducing crap that comes along as baggage with it.
this isn't to bag the spirit or the meaning or the importance of anzac day, but i really miss the days when i still naively believed that it was a sombre recognition of the horrors and sacrifice of war, not some nationalistic bullshit derived from it.
and on that note, collingwood and sydney on thursday.
this isn't to bag the spirit or the meaning or the importance of anzac day, but i really miss the days when i still naively believed that it was a sombre recognition of the horrors and sacrifice of war, not some nationalistic bullshit derived from it.
and on that note, collingwood and sydney on thursday.
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The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
how do you separate "sombre recognition of war" from "nationalism" and patriotism? war and the military deal in both, simultaneously. you can't pare them apart. even when remembering the dead lost in war, you are partaking in a patriotic spectacle. if you didn't know them personally, you are basically worshiping at the cenotaph of the dead as a symbolic memory and function in your nation's past. i.e. it is all nationalistic. they are both part of an indivisible whole.
i mostly agree, but i think we do remembrance day (11/11) much better than anzac day.
the sort of stuff i'm not so cool with is the calls to make anzac day our "national" day ie. our true "australia day". the constant invocation of the "spirit of the anzacs" in things which have absolutely nothing to do with charging up a rocky beach under turkish machine-gun fire (or japanese machine-gun fire in the png jungle etc etc). calls to "reorient" our history curriculum back towards essentially white anzac-focussed history when we've only really started to acknowledge that our true history is much, much broader and richer than that.
and of course i'm only posting this now because of this.
thanks chris pyne for reminding everyone how much of a cuntnugget you are.
the sort of stuff i'm not so cool with is the calls to make anzac day our "national" day ie. our true "australia day". the constant invocation of the "spirit of the anzacs" in things which have absolutely nothing to do with charging up a rocky beach under turkish machine-gun fire (or japanese machine-gun fire in the png jungle etc etc). calls to "reorient" our history curriculum back towards essentially white anzac-focussed history when we've only really started to acknowledge that our true history is much, much broader and richer than that.
and of course i'm only posting this now because of this.
thanks chris pyne for reminding everyone how much of a cuntnugget you are.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
yeah, i agree with you. the current conservative government here, too, are trying to rejig the history curriculum to basically be a rote-list of british battle victories. ugly and petty nationalism. i really have no idea why our culture is becoming so increasingly reactionary in the fact of economic stagnation. it isn't always this way. as for australia, it's even more confusing why you'd be obsessed with the past when your economy and society are actually growing.
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We've actually improved a lot on the front of giving our national historical narrative a lot more nuance and acknowledgement to our total shared history beyond just basically a part of the British Empire - I mean, it was a low base we were starting from what with terra nullius and the whole "Aborigines aren't actually people" thing we had going until the 60s and White Australia and all that - but it's still a bit too jingoistic, a bit too reactionary for my tastes.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
perfect for dilbert though.
Isn't Howard credited with pulling up all this military nationalism in the first place?
He's pulling the strings now.
He's pulling the strings now.
Fuck Israel
Hey I didn't say that. I mean I'm not going to deny it...Uzique The Lesser wrote:
acknowledging that people with humanities educations cannot run a country? and should work in a supermarket? you're being very hard on yourself there, ty.Ty wrote:
That wasn't meant to mock Dilbert, more an acknowledgment that he's probably right. I've been trying to come up with what could be called a positive attribute for Tony and I think "he's educated" is probably the best one so far.
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lol don't you have a political science degree?Ty wrote:
Hey I didn't say that. I mean I'm not going to deny it...Uzique The Lesser wrote:
acknowledging that people with humanities educations cannot run a country? and should work in a supermarket? you're being very hard on yourself there, ty.Ty wrote:
That wasn't meant to mock Dilbert, more an acknowledgment that he's probably right. I've been trying to come up with what could be called a positive attribute for Tony and I think "he's educated" is probably the best one so far.
Yep. I stapled it to me wall to hide a crack.
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Tony Abbott is appearing on 7:30 tonight with Leigh Sales. Only eight months since his last interview. Do you think he's learned anything or will this be a, (glorious,) chaotic mess?
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