jay put uzique on ignore
bf2s is going into its second ice age
bf2s is going into its second ice age
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I went to a top notch private school for high school full of the offspring of doctors, lawyers, the Dolans etc and it was still the message. Before I got to college I never heard a single person ever try to divorce job prospects from the college discussion. The only people who have done it since college are liberal arts majors tired of having their choices questioned, honestly.13/f/taiwan wrote:
for working/lower class people, yes.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
British vs American middle class thing.Jay wrote:
I went to a top notch private school for high school full of the offspring of doctors, lawyers, the Dolans etc and it was still the message. Before I got to college I never heard a single person ever try to divorce job prospects from the college discussion. The only people who have done it since college are liberal arts majors tired of having their choices questioned, honestly.13/f/taiwan wrote:
for working/lower class people, yes.
I'm pretty sure zique's dad won't disown him because he's doing a degree that's essentially his interest. If he's in it for the dough, he'd probably go into law.
jay for a person of fine private school upbringing you are surprisingly venal and scrupulous. privileged people don't worry about money. they go to school to get cultured and network. not to 'maximize potential further earnings'. again, to reiterate the initial point: mocking macbeth for taking a degree that doesn't lead to the highest-paycheque only makes you look like an idiot, not macbeth. universities do not exist to grade people on their earnings.
my family want to see me happy, and doing something i am good at, and doing it damn well. those are the limits of their pressure/concern, and the criteria for their satisfaction. money doesn't come into it.Cybargs wrote:
British vs American middle class thing.Jay wrote:
I went to a top notch private school for high school full of the offspring of doctors, lawyers, the Dolans etc and it was still the message. Before I got to college I never heard a single person ever try to divorce job prospects from the college discussion. The only people who have done it since college are liberal arts majors tired of having their choices questioned, honestly.13/f/taiwan wrote:
for working/lower class people, yes.
I'm pretty sure zique's dad won't disown him because he's doing a degree that's essentially his interest. If he's in it for the dough, he'd probably go into law.
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btw why did you have to go sit in the desert fighting in a war you disagreed with in order to afford college, if you went to high-school with new york's glitterati and elite? just a question.
I guess if you consider that marketing I guess. You and I must have different ideas of what constitutes marketing. And no one told me 'choose this major because you'll make more'. And it wouldn't matter because I didn't go to university so I could make money. I wouldn't have done a degree in poli sci if that was the case.Jay wrote:
You were never told to 'go to college so you can get a good job'?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
No one ever marketed a college degree to me. I'm not sure I understand what you mean Jay?
So is UK. In fact, post-graduate level education in the west in general is an international affair. You go where the research/prestige is, for the most part.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
as my first post made out, US higher-education at postgrad level is an international affair. i have looked at many of your top colleges for postgraduate. i was pretty sure i'd prefer to do it that way, financially, for a few months, whilst my own choices/opportunities were not made up. so yes, i do think i know enough about elite institutions to know that they aren't 'marketed' for job paycheques. maybe you would know more though? going to a low-ranking college with no elite appeal to sell, i mean.
i would say the major motivator for US postgrad research is its where the money is. research needs a steady flow of money and financial support. american higher ed has a lot of liquid cash circulating. financing a PhD is a lot easier than at cash-strapped home institutions. also budgets for science and technical research are astronomical compared to the budgets of nations elsewhere. it's why the US has a leading world eminence in research: leading endowments. you really cannot compare the money flowing around, say, an old elite french institution and harvard. harvard has more cash than most third-world countries do in the bank.
I didn't choose my major for money either, it's just a pleasant side effect. But between politicians, television sitcoms, teachers cajoling us, and stories of the American Dream, we were told from when we were little that in order to do well in life we had to go to college. For an example (and I'm not picking on him), Macbeth has spit on people without college degrees that do manual labor on multiple occasions. That's pretty standard, is it not? "You don't want to end up working at McDonald's do you?" bullshit we're all fed in high school.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I guess if you consider that marketing I guess. You and I must have different ideas of what constitutes marketing. And no one told me 'choose this major because you'll make more'. And it wouldn't matter because I didn't go to university so I could make money. I wouldn't have done a degree in poli sci if that was the case.Jay wrote:
You were never told to 'go to college so you can get a good job'?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
No one ever marketed a college degree to me. I'm not sure I understand what you mean Jay?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
yes, "told to do well in life to go to college". that doesn't say anything about "going to college to do a major that earns you the most money". 'going to college' is the signifier of success, ambition, and ultimately class. not how much money you make afterwards. that's vulgarian. only you would read encouragement for young people to go to college to 'succeed' as a coded reference to 'make as much money as you can or you're a loser'.
ditto the mcdonald's line. people diss it because it is considered boring, smelly, hot and unfulfilling work. not the pay-cheque. the same way garbage refusal is stigmatized as a bad job. it actually pays pretty damn well. people just use it as a diss because it's categorized as a job of manual labour with no particular skill or room for personal growth. again: you make everything about money. you are venal.
ditto the mcdonald's line. people diss it because it is considered boring, smelly, hot and unfulfilling work. not the pay-cheque. the same way garbage refusal is stigmatized as a bad job. it actually pays pretty damn well. people just use it as a diss because it's categorized as a job of manual labour with no particular skill or room for personal growth. again: you make everything about money. you are venal.
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Most people go to college these days to better themselves financially, not because they have time on their hands and their parents have money falling out of their pockets - fact. These days even rich parents are going to do a cost-benefit calculation on behalf of their Ruperts and Cecilias.
I don't know if Macbeth is trolling especially, but putting people the country needs at the front of the queue is a no-brainer, and technological development and manufacturing - creation of actual value - are what have traditionally driven economies and created progress, so yes countries need engineers, technologists and technicians ahead of many other fields.
I don't know if Macbeth is trolling especially, but putting people the country needs at the front of the queue is a no-brainer, and technological development and manufacturing - creation of actual value - are what have traditionally driven economies and created progress, so yes countries need engineers, technologists and technicians ahead of many other fields.
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Fuck Israel
Most people go to school to get a fucking decent job.
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http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/pre … VxnJ1c5Vv5The Associated Press, the largest news-gathering outlet in the world, will no longer use the term "illegal immigrant."
The news came in the form of a blog entry authored by Senior Vice President and Executive Editor Kathleen Carroll on Tuesday afternoon, explaining that the decision is part of the company's on-going attempt to rid their Stylebook of labels.
"The Stylebook no longer sanctions the term 'illegal immigrant' or the use of 'illegal' to describe a person. Instead, it tells users that 'illegal' should describe only an action, such as living in or immigrating to a country illegally," Carroll wrote.
The company's decision comes after years of controversy over the term. Fusion, the ABC-Univision joint venture, does not use "illegal immigrant" because we believe it dehumanizes those it describes and we find it to be linguistically inaccurate.
We wrote last year about how most of America's top college newspapers and major TV networks, including ABC, NBC and CNN, have vowed to stop using the term. Nearly half of Latino voters polled last year in a Fox News Latino survey said that they find the term "illegal immigrant" offensive. A coalition of linguists also came together last year to pressure media companies to drop "illegal immigrant," calling it "neither neutral nor accurate." And some critics of the term, like journalist Maria Hinojosa, argue that those newsrooms that have continued to classify people as "illegal" lack diversity.
Last fall, the AP said they would restrict the usage of "illegal immigrant" to certain circumstances due to the complexity of the immigration experience. Paul Colford, the director of media relations for the AP, addressed the issue in an email, saying that "ongoing, lively, internal conversation" about "illegal immigrant" continued after that announcement.
Political correctness gone mad or a reasonable adjustment of language? Personally I see nothing wrong with the term illegal immigrant.
Uzique The Lesser wrote:
respect the beaner
Bill will not pass. 10 years for a greencard and 13 for citizenship is too long. An arbitrary board holding up the citizenship process is unacceptable to democrats. A lot of republicans don't want any amnesty even a shitty one like this.Any undocumented immigrant who entered the country after December 31, 2011, will not be eligible for citizenship under terms of the immigration deal set to be unveiled Tuesday by the bipartisan "Gang of Eight" senators, a Senate aide told CNN on Saturday.
Specifics of the program included in the legislation were among the details the eight senators - four Republicans and four Democrats - needed to iron out. Sources with knowledge of the matter told CNN this week the sweeping measure was on track to be unveiled Tuesday.
Members of the Senate Judiciary Committee will hold their first public hearing on the legislation on Wednesday, followed most likely by committee markups in May and consideration by the full Senate in June, according to the sources.
The measure includes a 13-year path to citizenship that could affect up to roughly 11 million undocumented residents, as well as the creation of a system to assess border security.
The path to citizenship would take 10 years for undocumented workers to get a green card, and then another three years to gain citizenship.
Along the way, undocumented workers would have to pay a fine and back taxes and pass a background check. The size of the fine remains unclear.
No undocumented worker would be eligible for citizenship until the border is considered secure - a key sticking point for conservatives.
To measure border security, a commission would be created with the task of establishing and assessing a set of quantifiable criteria. The commission would be made up of officials named by state and federal leaders.
Several key Senate conservatives, including Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Alabama, remained convinced Friday the group's proposal would be tantamount to amnesty for people who initially entered or have illegally remained in the United States.
"It is likely millions of current and future illegal immigrants ... will benefit from this amnesty," he said in a statement.
yeah, 13 years and you have to pay a fine+back taxes. most illegals would rather stay here illegally and have their children here.
"No undocumented worker would be eligible for citizenship until the border is considered secure - a key sticking point for conservatives."
not going to happen.
"No undocumented worker would be eligible for citizenship until the border is considered secure - a key sticking point for conservatives."
not going to happen.
"Secure the border"...
What the fuck is this? The Berlin wall?
What the fuck is this? The Berlin wall?
13 years is not long at all considering the current system
Tu Stultus Es
The current system is bunk too. I don't mind 13 years for citizenship but 10 years for a green card is retarded.
What does secure the border even mean though? Even the Soviets who were ordered to shoot deserters couldn't prevent people from escaping to West Berlin. What is the criteria for a "secure" border?
yesJay wrote:
So you're telling me that people told you to attend college for the love of learning only?13/f/taiwan wrote:
uzique is right.
that was the general message we got from our teachers too. why do something you hate purely for the pursuit of money?
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
"Give me your tired, your poor,Spearhead wrote:
What does secure the border even mean though? Even the Soviets who were ordered to shoot deserters couldn't prevent people from escaping to West Berlin. What is the criteria for a "secure" border?
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
That only applied to Northern Europeans though.AussieReaper wrote:
"Give me your tired, your poor,Spearhead wrote:
What does secure the border even mean though? Even the Soviets who were ordered to shoot deserters couldn't prevent people from escaping to West Berlin. What is the criteria for a "secure" border?
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Fuck Israel