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Four firefighters are being held hostage by a gunman at a residence in an Atlanta suburb, a police spokesman said. "It's a very touchy situation and anything could happen," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/10/us/georgi … ?hpt=hp_t1
Hopefully the situation doesn't heat up.

In other news.  Despite the attempts of both the media and the potus at whoring out the Parents from the Sandy Hood school shooting reminiscent of Cindy Sheehan days bygone, , today the 2nd Amendment prevailed.  Bamster is sad.  Oh, and apparently the 'other side' is a bunch of liars.

89% of those polled in favor of a background check before buying a gun. they obviously didn't poll NRA members.

oh wait, they did - the number came in at 81%.

4/5 of members of the national rifle association support checking that the purchaser doesn't have a history that would pose a threat to citizens.

so tell me, what would be so wrong with doing a background check against those seeking to purchase a firearm? would the government preclude an American citizen from owning a firearm in contradiction to their second amendment rights?

what about my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness when a parolee picks up a hot piece to rob my house? do i allow him his second amendment right, exercise mine, and shoot a motherfucker that's breaking and entering?

No other country will bring down the United States of America. we're doing it for them.

Jay wrote:

It was all the other shit in the bill.

It was already watered down from what it started as, too.

Jay wrote:

It was all the other shit in the bill.

The bill deserved to die anyway

13urnzz wrote:

89% of those polled in favor of a background check before buying a gun. they obviously didn't poll NRA members.

oh wait, they did - the number came in at 81%.

4/5 of members of the national rifle association support checking that the purchaser doesn't have a history that would pose a threat to citizens.

so tell me, what would be so wrong with doing a background check against those seeking to purchase a firearm? would the government preclude an American citizen from owning a firearm in contradiction to their second amendment rights?

what about my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness when a parolee picks up a hot piece to rob my house? do i allow him his second amendment right, exercise mine, and shoot a motherfucker that's breaking and entering?

No other country will bring down the United States of America. we're doing it for them.

Background checks are all ready done.  The polling was obscenely skewed using loaded questions.  Bamster himself was quoting statistics that were 20 years old.  At the end of the day, none of their legislative proposals would have done the first thing to prevent a Sandy Hook*(thanks).  It was a gun grab, pure and simple.

Your call on what to do if you are home when faced with an armed burglar.  Every have to fill one of these out? OMB NO. 1512-0129

13urnzz wrote:

89% of those polled in favor of a background check before buying a gun. they obviously didn't poll NRA members.

oh wait, they did - the number came in at 81%.

4/5 of members of the national rifle association support checking that the purchaser doesn't have a history that would pose a threat to citizens.

so tell me, what would be so wrong with doing a background check against those seeking to purchase a firearm? would the government preclude an American citizen from owning a firearm in contradiction to their second amendment rights?

what about my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness when a parolee picks up a hot piece to rob my house? do i allow him his second amendment right, exercise mine, and shoot a motherfucker that's breaking and entering?

No other country will bring down the United States of America. we're doing it for them.

The basic idea of an instant background check is pretty agreeable.  It's the implementation that is the sticking point.  Right now, only licensed dealers can access the NICS system.  Mandating background checks for private sales forces private parties to pay a dealer to run the check and keep the paper trail for 20 years.  This is rather annoying to many people, and since the federal government ignores most violations anyway, I think people don't believe the benefits outweigh the costs.

Also, there is a fear that when people realize you cannot enforce private party background checks very effectively, you will hear the anti gun-rights people propose mandatory registration.

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RAIMIUS wrote:

Also, there is a fear that when people realize you cannot enforce private party background checks very effectively, you will hear the anti gun-rights people propose mandatory registration.

this

13rin wrote:

In other news.  Despite the attempts of both the media and the potus at whoring out the Parents from the Sandy Hood school shooting reminiscent of Cindy Sheehan days bygone, , today the 2nd Amendment prevailed.

How would the second amendent have been affected?

Are you saying convicted felons and the mentally deranged should have the right to buy guns unchecked?

Dilbert_X wrote:

13rin wrote:

In other news.  Despite the attempts of both the media and the potus at whoring out the Parents from the Sandy Hood school shooting reminiscent of Cindy Sheehan days bygone, , today the 2nd Amendment prevailed.

How would the second amendent have been affected?

Are you saying convicted felons and the mentally deranged should have the right to buy guns unchecked?

no, and if that's all it was that's fine

but it wasn't, so fuck that bill

Dilbert_X wrote:

So what else was in the bill? I thought it was solely the background checks, didn't all the other stuff fall out already?

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
 120 specifically-named firearms
 Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a
detachable magazine and have one military characteristic
 Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept
more than 10 rounds

The 10 round mag limit was pissing a lot of people off I guess.

There already are background checks in place for purchasing firearms.

13urnzz wrote:

i was making a delivery downtown, when a certified crazy woman showed up and opened up;

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7935 … tml?pg=all

sadly, my shotgun, 22 rifle, and 357 were all at home that day.

i coulda been an hero

What's your point?  lanza wouldn't have passed a background check and he still accessed firearms.  Look at States with even more extreme laws.. The norweign mass murder, he still got to the big bad weapons.

Dilbert_X wrote:

How would the second amendent have been affected?

Are you saying convicted felons and the mentally deranged should have the right to buy guns unchecked?

Further restriction & no.

Dilbert_X wrote:

So what else was in the bill? I thought it was solely the background checks, didn't all the other stuff fall out already?

The 90% polls are up to date, not 20 years old apparently.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 … use-worry/

Annnd I wasn't referring to that.  http://www.businessinsider.com/fact-che … ate-2013-3