Uzique The Lesser
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"state college student", is that meant to be bad?
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A small government republican going to a state subsidized university. Either they have identity issues or are selectively conservative.
Uzique The Lesser
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so republicans only go to ivy league schools?
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It is hypocritical to want to get rid of services in order to cut taxes while going to a school that is kept afloat by government money. There are thousands of private schools to go to.
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it was just a question, not a jibe. and yes, i agree. but then again, judging from this forum, many people hold dissonant views with their own personal experiences of growing up in america. seems many people like to rely on state subsidy and then tout the 'aspirational' bollocks-ideology of the american dream.
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You rip on my education and to give you some ammo for later: they managed to get from Rousseau to abortion in 10 minutes.
Uzique The Lesser
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i rip on your education because you study polici and say some stupid things about the black culture industry.
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Meh I am hardly even going to school. I get good grades but I dropped out mentally. My heart and head aren't in it.
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so the guardian finally put up their op-ed about thatcher after two days of long retrospective articles, data-graphs, and 101 comment pieces.

Her legacy is public division, private selfishness and a cult of greed that together shackle the human spirit
lol. pretty unanimous.

When she arrived in Downing Street in 1979 she talked about replacing discord with harmony. She may briefly have meant it, but the harmony she sought in the long term was one whose terms were set overwhelmingly in the interests of the British business class as she perceived them. She disdained the public realm and presided over the growth of the cult of marketplace success as the foundation of a good society – a low-tax, home-owning, privatised, high-carbon, possessive, individualist, winner-takes-all financial model whose failure haunts the choices still facing this country today. Much was wrong with the Britain she inherited in 1979, undemocratic union power among them, and many things, though not wrong in themselves, were unsustainable without radical change, including some nationalised utilities. Britain would have had to alter radically in the 1980s and 90s, and the process would have been hard and controversial. But, as Germany and other northern nations have shown, economic dynamism has been possible without the squandering of social cohesion that Mrs Thatcher promoted.

In the last analysis, though, her stock in trade was division. By instinct, inclination and effect she was a polariser. She glorified both individualism and the nation state, but lacked much feeling for the communities and bonds that knit them together. When she spoke, as she often did, about "our people", she did not mean the people of Britain; she meant people who thought like her and shared her prejudices. She abhorred disorder, decadence and bad behaviour but she was the empress ruler of a process of social and cultural atomism that has fostered all of them, and still does.

The governments that followed have struggled to put a kinder and more cohesive face on the forces she unleashed and to create stability and validity for the public realm that yet remains. New Labour offered a first response. The coalition is attempting a second draft in grimmer circumstances, and there will be others. There can certainly be no going back to the failed postwar past with which Margaret Thatcher had to wrestle. But there should be no going back to her own failed answer either. She was an exceptionally consequential leader, in many ways a very great woman. There should be no dancing on her grave but it is right there is no state funeral either. Her legacy is of public division, private selfishness and a cult of greed, which together shackle far more of the human spirit than they ever set free.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree … -editorial
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excerpts of david camerons's speech have been leaked

You presided over the dismantling of the UK's manufacturing base, sold off the country's commonly owned silverware to a bunch of money-grubbing, pinstriped opportunists, practically eliminated the country's social housing stock and eroded the welfare state by unleashing the worst of which the British people are capable – fear, ruthless greed and small-minded loathing, racism, xenophobia and homophobia – adding insult to injury by administering all this with a sickly, acrid, old-fashioned dose of castor oil moralism. It is just that you rot in senile purgatory and die a lonely death.
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Jay wrote:

I don't really understand the hatred directed at her. Why is she blamed for coal mines and steel mills being closed in the north? Why is she blamed for the financial system boom of the 80s that supposedly left others disenfranchised? The same things happened here in America at the exact same time. We went from top dog steel producer in the world to near naught in a decade. Now most of our steel comes from Japan and China. We had the same financial boom in the 80s as well with Wall Street bankers making money hand over fist and snorting blow out of hookers' snatches. So what? I think she's been unfairly blamed, it wasn't her fucking up the lives of UKers, it was the world changing. If there's anything I've noticed about people from the UK over the years it's the fact that they are stubborn as mules and will resist any change whatsoever while hating the forces that make them do so. They make punctual, routine based Germans look positively Bohemian by contrast.
Yes, coal mines and steel mills closing and the financial industries going through bubble booms in America and the UK simultaneously under Reagan and Thatcher respectively were pure coincidence. My god....

Thatcher set out to destroy the left forever as part of the neo-con project, that the left's power base was primary production, heavy industry, manufacturing and basic national infrastructure such as the railways was unlucky but ruining them apparently a price worth paying.
Putting hundreds of thousands onto the dole and paying a higher price to ship Brazilian coal half way around the world must have made sense to someone, somewhere, I guess.

Thatcher didn't fuck up your world, your cultural conservatism did.
Lol, Brits aren't wedded to a 200 year old piece of parchment or spend their time agonising over what every ink blot really means.

Thatcher shook the place up, but she went much to far and did a lot of damage as a consequence. The unions needed to be taken down peg, but collapsing almost every major UK industry in the process was not the right way to do it.

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Oh yeah, I was there man.
Fuck Israel
Uzique The Lesser
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jay's intellectual posterchilds are rand and hayek. he's in class denial. he's never going to be able to criticize an old battle-axe like maggie. she put the crazy ideological whims of the 20th century's worst intellectuals into brutal political practice.
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Uzique The Lesser wrote:

jay's intellectual posterchilds are rand and hayek. he's in class denial. he's never going to be able to criticize an old battle-axe like maggie. she put the crazy ideological whims of the 20th century's worst intellectuals into brutal political practice.
Yeah
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Fox news is disgusted and outraged that people in Buenos Aires are celebrating that Thatcher died. The promo right before that was a planned prime time debate on whether things were better in the 50's or now. lol
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Macbeth wrote:

Fox news is disgusted and outraged that people in Buenos Aires are celebrating that Thatcher died. The promo right before that was a planned prime time debate on whether things were better in the 50's or now. lol
dude people in the UK are celebrating thatcher dying. she was extremely divisive. there have been street parties and there are many more large-scale events planned this weekend.

don't let that ruin the right-wing outrage in america, though. they surely know best. just ask jay.
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things were better for white christian males in the 1950's. thats it.
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i.e. fox news' entire viewership
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anyone pining for the carefree days of leave it to beaver where women and minorities knew their place in society is automatically a racist
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Mr. Casey Barduhn, Superintendent
Westhill Central School District
400 Walberta Park Road
Syracuse, New York 13219
Dear Mr. Barduhn and Board of Education Members:
It is with the deepest regret that I must retire at the close of this school year, ending my more than twenty-seven years of service at Westhill on June 30, under the provisions of the 2012-15 contract. I assume that I will be eligible for any local or state incentives that may be offered prior to my date of actual retirement and I trust that I may return to the high school at some point as a substitute teacher.
As with Lincoln and Springfield, I have grown from a young to an old man here; my brother died while we were both employed here; my daughter was educated here, and I have been touched by and hope that I have touched hundreds of lives in my time here. I know that I have been fortunate to work with a small core of some of the finest students and educators on the planet.
I came to teaching forty years ago this month and have been lucky enough to work at a small liberal arts college, a major university and this superior secondary school. To me, history has been so very much more than a mere job, it has truly been my life, always driving my travel, guiding all of my reading and even dictating my television and movie viewing. Rarely have I engaged in any of these activities without an eye to my classroom and what I might employ in a lesson, a lecture or a presentation. With regard to my profession, I have truly attempted to live John Dewey’s famous quotation (now likely cliché with me, I’ve used it so very often) that  “Education is not preparation for life, education is life itself.” This type of total immersion is what I have always referred to as teaching “heavy,” working hard, spending time, researching, attending to details and never feeling satisfied that I knew enough on any topic. I now find that this approach to my profession is not only devalued, but denigrated and perhaps, in some quarters despised. STEM rules the day and “data driven” education seeks only conformity, standardization, testing and a zombie-like adherence to the shallow and generic Common Core, along with a lockstep of oversimplified so-called Essential Learnings. Creativity, academic freedom, teacher autonomy, experimentation and innovation are being stifled in a misguided effort to fix what is not broken in our system of public education and particularly not at Westhill.
A long train of failures has brought us to this unfortunate pass. In their pursuit of Federal tax dollars, our legislators have failed us by selling children out to private industries such as Pearson Education. The New York State United Teachers union has let down its membership by failing to mount a much more effective and vigorous campaign against this same costly and dangerous debacle. Finally, it is with sad reluctance that I say our own administration has been both uncommunicative and unresponsive to the concerns and needs of our staff and students by establishing testing and evaluation systems that are Byzantine at best and at worst, draconian. This situation has been exacerbated by other actions of the administration, in either refusing to call open forum meetings to discuss these pressing issues, or by so constraining the time limits of such meetings that little more than a conveying of information could take place. This lack of leadership at every level has only served to produce confusion, a loss of confidence and a dramatic and rapid decaying of morale. The repercussions of these ill-conceived policies will be telling and shall resound to the detriment of education for years to come. The analogy that this process is like building the airplane while we are flying would strike terror in the heart of anyone should it be applied to an actual airplane flight, a medical procedure, or even a home repair. Why should it be acceptable in our careers and in the education of our children?
My profession is being demeaned by a pervasive atmosphere of distrust, dictating that teachers cannot be permitted to develop and administer their own quizzes and tests (now titled as generic “assessments”) or grade their own students’ examinations. The development of plans, choice of lessons and the materials to be employed are increasingly expected to be common to all teachers in a given subject. This approach not only strangles creativity, it smothers the development of critical thinking in our students and assumes a one-size-fits-all mentality more appropriate to the assembly line than to the classroom. Teacher planning time has also now been so greatly eroded by a constant need to “prove up” our worth to the tyranny of APPR (through the submission of plans, materials and “artifacts” from our teaching) that there is little time for us to carefully critique student work, engage in informal intellectual discussions with our students and colleagues, or conduct research and seek personal improvement through independent study. We have become increasingly evaluation and not knowledge driven. Process has become our most important product, to twist a phrase from corporate America, which seems doubly appropriate to this case.
After writing all of this I realize that I am not leaving my profession, in truth, it has left me. It no longer exists. I feel as though I have played some game halfway through its fourth quarter, a timeout has been called, my teammates’ hands have all been tied, the goal posts moved, all previously scored points and honors expunged and all of the rules altered.
For the last decade or so, I have had two signs hanging above the blackboard at the front of my classroom, they read, “Words Matter” and “Ideas Matter”. While I still believe these simple statements to be true, I don’t feel that those currently driving public education have any inkling of what they mean.
Sincerely and with regret,
Gerald J. Conti
Social Studies Department Leader
Cc: Doreen Bronchetti, Lee Roscoe
My little Zu.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ans … er-exists/
How positively libertarian!
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Uzique The Lesser
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jay is such a fucking dong. he'll ironically quip and side with a dude that quotes dewey: "education is not prep for a life, education is life", but then argues and criticises elsewhere 'bourgy' people who don't get a degree that leads to a high paycheque. what an intellectual pissant this man is. he should be banned from d&st. he fills it with this total fucking bilge all the time. it's so tiresome. ostentatious parading with zero intellectual consistency.

quoting a piece in opposition to STEM and in support of a rigorous humanities 'method' of teaching is total provocation from jay. is this guy for fucking real?!?

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15 people just got stabbed at a college campus in Texas. Inb4 "ironic" ban knives comment
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Wonder how many died and how many just need stitches.
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No deaths
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Spoons made me fat..

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