trumped up charges. happens all the time.
Tends to happen more in the parts of the country that really, really want to ban guns i.e. New York, Chicago, Washington DC...Uzique The Lesser wrote:
aren't there some laws in certain states of the US where it comes down to something technical in the interpretation, whereby every bullet that is fired constitutes an 'attempted murder'? i'm pretty sure i remember reading about that in the context of someone discharging a fire-arm at a police officer in an altercation. they threw the book at the guy and he ended up taking like multiple murder charges because of it. not sure if i'm recalling it correctly.
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Am I wrong? If someone uses a gun in one of the above cities they're gonna have the book thrown at them. Same shit happens to people brought up on drug charges in the bible belt.
Just look at what happened to Plaxico Burress. Bloomberg made an example out of him.
Just look at what happened to Plaxico Burress. Bloomberg made an example out of him.
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-Frederick Bastiat
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Not really. Everywhere sucks when it comes to laws in the U.S. The thread isn't regional.
you are an extreeeeeeemely punitive nation when it comes to law on the criminal-state side of things.
and let's not even mention civil litigation...
and let's not even mention civil litigation...
If you illegally discharge a gun anywhere and in the process immediately put someone's life in danger, you're going to prison. In fact, you'll receive a harsher sentence in the Republican controlled states where the punishments are much longer.Jay wrote:
Am I wrong? If someone uses a gun in one of the above cities they're gonna have the book thrown at them. Same shit happens to people brought up on drug charges in the bible belt.
Just look at what happened to Plaxico Burress. Bloomberg made an example out of him.
It is going to get worse. This "throw them all in jail' sentiment is dangerous rhetoric spouted by politicians who want votes and people who know squat about our system. Those same people then go home and watch TV shows which only reinforces their attitude about the system I believe most American's view our system as 'broken,' but in the wrong way. There is this idea that everyone in jail/prison is guilty and gets off easy and that is the problem with our system. It is far from reality.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
you are an extreeeeeeemely punitive nation when it comes to law on the criminal-state side of things.
and let's not even mention civil litigation...
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I blame everyone.
Nah. Every region has their own pet issues that they will come down hard on. Ours happens to be guns, hence stop and frisk, Burress, and the outsized penalties for unlicensed firearms. Republican states tend to be more reasonable regarding guns and much less reasonable about stuff like drugs. Stop trying to pretend like liberals give any more of a fuck about justice than Republicans do. Liberals only give a shit about the law when it's convenient.13/f/taiwan wrote:
If you illegally discharge a gun anywhere and in the process immediately put someone's life in danger, you're going to prison. In fact, you'll receive a harsher sentence in the Republican controlled states where the punishments are much longer.Jay wrote:
Am I wrong? If someone uses a gun in one of the above cities they're gonna have the book thrown at them. Same shit happens to people brought up on drug charges in the bible belt.
Just look at what happened to Plaxico Burress. Bloomberg made an example out of him.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
DEA puts a man in prison for 24 years for building hidden compartments in cars. They argue that he should have known what the people who went to his car business were using the hidden compartments for.
Can't wait to get out of this country.
Can't wait to get out of this country.
jay violent crimes gets you a lengthier prison sentence in red states.
Funny that you think so because 'three strikes' originated in California.
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-Frederick Bastiat
Studies have shown that people in rural areas have more punitive views towards crime than people in urban despite the lower rates of rural crime. We need more fracking.
Jay wrote:
Funny that you think so because 'three strikes' originated in California.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_lawWikipedia wrote:
Texas was the first state to enact such a law
Wiki is wrong. California enacted a three strikes system in the early 1900s.Jaekus wrote:
Jay wrote:
Funny that you think so because 'three strikes' originated in California.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_lawWikipedia wrote:
Texas was the first state to enact such a law
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you know those buttons that come in small plastic ziplock blags? you can't sell them empty. if you do the cops will raid your store, take every single dollar, eat some chips/cakes, have a few drinks, all while you're handcuffed in the back of a police van. that's just the first half.
in the second half the state/county audits and fines your business thousands of dollars, threatens to renew your licenses, ask that you personally pay a fine and wants you to spend a year in jail.
war on drugs.
in the second half the state/county audits and fines your business thousands of dollars, threatens to renew your licenses, ask that you personally pay a fine and wants you to spend a year in jail.
war on drugs.
You know what? After thinking about it, I'm wrong. The first law originated in New York in the late 1800s. I remember it being mentioned when I read The Maltese Falcon and looked it up because I was curious. One of the characters was called some odd piece of slang that meant he was fleeing New York with a second strike. Anyway, yeah, those laws have been around for a long time.
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141 murders to 10 attempted murders isn't a bad ratio.
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This will probably be cited as a case for tougher laws and restrictions.The man suspected of killing Colorado's prisons chief was still supposed to be behind bars. But because of a clerical error, Evan Ebel was let out of prison in January -- four years early.
Authorities suspect he went on to kill Tom Clements, who led the state's prison system, last month. They have also said there is a "strong connection" between that killing and the murder of Nathan Leon, a pizza delivery driver who was found dead in suburban Golden, Colorado.
"The district has undertaken a review of its practices in an effort to avoid a reoccurrence of this circumstance," Charles Barton, chief judge of the 11th Judicial District, and Walter Blair, district administrator, said in a Monday statement.
"The court regrets this oversight and extends condolences to the families of Mr. Nathan Leon and Mr. Tom Clements."
Ebel went to prison in 2005. He was serving an eight-year sentence when he assaulted a prison guard.
He entered into a written plea agreement, which stated Ebel would plead guilty to assault in the second degree and that the court would impose a consecutive sentence of up to four years plus a mandatory three years of parole.
A sentencing hearing was held in June 2008.
6 months in jail for throwing a rock through a window. Thank god for dead Americans. This country deserves everything it gets.A misspelling vandal who threw rocks through the law office windows of the Hudson County’s top municipal judge was sentenced today to six months in jail for his actions.
Dennis Sabol, 47, of Bayonne, was charged after the rocks smashed the windows of Judge Frank T. Carpenter’s office on Broadway on April 13, 2011. Carpenter found two men not guilty of assaulting Sabol in March 2011.
Inscribed on the rocks in magic marker was "Carpenter you gonna pay," "You better in hell than in courtroom," "Lier (sic)," "Die soon," "watch your back," "Carpenter wrong side of law," and "not honest, you evel (sic)," Carpenter told The Jersey Journal.
When cops asked Sabol to write the words "liar" and "evil," he misspelled the words just as they appeared on the rocks. Police also found a black magic marker in his car.
To avoid any claim of conflict, the criminal proceedings were shifted to Essex County Superior Court.
macbeth these type of things happen every single day in courtrooms all over america.
go to your local court(or nyc if you want to see it on a larger scale) during the indictment process. the public defenders give shoddy advice to their clients so they can clear the case. sometimes it is the prosecutors doing.
over the span of 3 hours i saw a man plea to 1 year in jail for stealing some candy, another 5 years for selling some ecstasy, and one lady did 12 years for stealing a car. they probably all had priors but dam. that is overkill.
go to your local court(or nyc if you want to see it on a larger scale) during the indictment process. the public defenders give shoddy advice to their clients so they can clear the case. sometimes it is the prosecutors doing.
over the span of 3 hours i saw a man plea to 1 year in jail for stealing some candy, another 5 years for selling some ecstasy, and one lady did 12 years for stealing a car. they probably all had priors but dam. that is overkill.
should have got a yearMacbeth wrote:
6 months in jail for throwing a rock through a window. Thank god for dead Americans. This country deserves everything it gets.A misspelling vandal who threw rocks through the law office windows of the Hudson County’s top municipal judge was sentenced today to six months in jail for his actions.
Dennis Sabol, 47, of Bayonne, was charged after the rocks smashed the windows of Judge Frank T. Carpenter’s office on Broadway on April 13, 2011. Carpenter found two men not guilty of assaulting Sabol in March 2011.
Inscribed on the rocks in magic marker was "Carpenter you gonna pay," "You better in hell than in courtroom," "Lier (sic)," "Die soon," "watch your back," "Carpenter wrong side of law," and "not honest, you evel (sic)," Carpenter told The Jersey Journal.
When cops asked Sabol to write the words "liar" and "evil," he misspelled the words just as they appeared on the rocks. Police also found a black magic marker in his car.
To avoid any claim of conflict, the criminal proceedings were shifted to Essex County Superior Court.
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beth, are you officially trolling this forum now?
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but yeah, 6 months for throwing a rock and threatening a judge is is actually light.
prolly wont even do 6 months. he'll be out in time to go to court for another stupid offense before that 6 months ends
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