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meh the Syrian rebels started out with less guns and they are winning their war.

Winning? No. But they have a lot of very big gunz now.

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The Syrian government is confined around a few large spots while the rest of the country is largely rebel controlled. The only stop that hasn't been pulled yet is chemical weapons. It is hardly as if the government is beating down the rebels while not using their tanks and planes.

Assuming that members of military don't deflect, like in Libya, or refuse to follow orders, like in Egypt and Russia. Soldiers aren't robots who blindly follow the person above them. There is no reason to believe a popular uprising against the government would not include members of the active military. You are also assuming Americans don't eventually liberate themselves some strong hardware or receive it from an outside source. Less than 1% of our population of 350,000,000 people are active members of the military anyway.

I think the "we need ARs to stop the government!" argument is silly, yes. I don't think we need ARs in order to stop Obama and ACORN from enslaving us. But I am saying it is certainly possible for an uprising of 50% of America to manage to overthrow the U.S. government if they suddenly had the motivation to do it. Assault rifles would make the beginning stages of the conflict a ton easier. Again I'm not arguing guns, I'm arguing a hypothetical.

Macbeth wrote:

There is no reason to believe a popular uprising against the government would not include members of the active military.

This.

Nearly all fictional "second American civil war" novels (at least all the ones I've read) detail the schism in the military as national guard units fall in line with their relative states and other members of the military take sides with where they're from. Even the movie "Second Civil War" describes this.

The point is that military wouldn't be 100% on either side of a war like that, but the idea that some time into such a conflict you could find the President sitting cozily in the oval office and not holed up in a bunker like Dick Cheney is dubious.

Won't really know unless it happens, but it's a big country; not Syria.

Alaska would join Russia, North East would join EU, South will form confederacy, California will be part of China

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

My pet idea is that Mexico might try to assert some land rights in the southwest, the west coast (do to cultural and geographic differences with the east) would form a "Pacifica," parts of the southeast would coalesce into a "New Confederacy" and what's left over would remain "US." I don't see Canada willingly absorbing any part of the country in a desire to remain aloof, but Alaska would conceivably go to them, "Pacifica," or (I think) become its own country. If Russia tried to reassert claims it could turn into a larger conflict. Hawaii, like Alaska, may secede entirely or remain "US."

A Chinese land grab would probably reunite us, and I can't see Americans or Europeans wanting any part of the country in the EU.

I love talking about this kinda stuff!  Nothing morbid or slightly disturbing about it at all!

As Cybargs said, Alaska would probably go to the Russians.  Or possibly the Chinese?  Oh well, so long Palin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_( … _movement)

The Pacific Northwest would form "Cascadia" with the Canadian West Coast.  So Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, and Silicon Valley.  Legalized maurijuana, great coffee, and ipads. 

Mexico would grab Southern california (thank god) as well as Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado.  Will this change anything?  Probably not, although there might be an exodus of rich white people.  Not sure about Utah, although Romneys part Mexican as we all know so he probably wouldn't mind. 

The "New Confederacy" -- Most of the South and Southeast.  You know the rest.

Southern Florida would probably secede from North Florida.  Maybe we would join Cuba if they ever get over their communist problem.  Then we could form a great federation of islands.  I'd call it, Caribbeana.  South Florida, Cuba, Haiti, all the islands.  Primary export - coke and hispanic women.

Vermont and New Hampshire secede to form their own little pastoral village.  New York, PA, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois form "The Union".  They specialize in controlled demolitions of their empty factories. 

Wisconsin and Minnesota are forgotten because they are weirdos.

Cybargs wrote:

you know i was being sarcastic spastic right

fixerd

Spearhead wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_( … _movement)

That's a lot of different tax models to merge.

...but...tyranny!