Women in combat

2013-01-24 13:20:29

#51

Mutantbear: Semi Constructive Criticism; +1,431|6215|London, England

maybe instead of worrying about having strength requirements for soldiers we just dont let people over 150lbs with gear in

problem solved

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2013-01-24 13:38:37

#52

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|7025|Noizyland

My section commander during part of my Basic was female, she was actually very good. Particularly because her high-pitched screeching voice carried pretty well over gunfire. She was also more physically capable than a significant portion of the recruits.

We do have women in combat roles in our military though admittedly most of the time we generally don't work in particularly hot areas, even in Afghanistan. That's not to say we don't though, we lost six soldiers last year - one was female; Jacinda Baker.

A couple of points I'd make:

- I see no reason a woman shouldn't serve in a combat role if she has the physical proficiency to do it.
- The concerns about sexual tension or protective instincts having a role in the effectiveness of a fighting unit are rubbish. For one all soldiers protect other soldiers. For two if you're in combat and your dick is calling the shots you shouldn't be in a combat role.
- Combat or front-line roles are more than just fighting grunts.
- Some male soldiers barely have the physical or mental proficiency to be in combat roles, yet they get preference over a capable female soldier simply based on gender. I'd much rather have some of the female soldiers I've worked with back me up over some of the absolute sack-of-crap male soldiers I've had to endure.
- Women who truly want to serve in front roles are the type of person you'd want in front line roles.
- It's no more or less pleasant for a female soldiers to be killed in combat than it is for any other soldier. It is a weak excuse from people who feel uneasy but don't have a reason to so they deny women the opportunity to fight just because. Women who want to fight know the risks.
- Women get pregnant sometimes, if they do they don't fight. If a women gets pregnant to get out of fighting she's not one of the women I've been talking about. Is this convenient out enough to bar all women from combat roles? You may think so. I don't.

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2013-01-24 13:47:24

#53

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5608|London, England

-Sh1fty- wrote:
Jay wrote:
-Sh1fty- wrote:

I'm physically stronger than any of the female poolees. In other words, fuck off. Besides, I can fireman carry every male poolee, that's what I'll be ding this afternoon, thank you very much you cunt.
I seriously doubt you could've carried me
How much did you weigh, with all your combat gear on? Most I've carried so far was a 200lb poolee across a football field and back while jogging. Yes, yes I am fucking skinny. I am absolutely not weak.

I think I read somewhere that you weighed 220. If you had an Interceptor on and full combat load I"m going to say you were 260. I can't carry that. I'd cover while somebody else carried you.

Full combat load, about 320 lbs. I weighed 240, but carried a SAW, 600 rounds, body armor and kevlar helmet.

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2013-01-24 13:53:21

#54

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5724|Ventura, California

holy shit that's 80lbs of gear without counting a pack.

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2013-01-24 13:59:40

#55

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5608|London, England

Yep.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-01-24 14:01:22

#56

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5608|London, England

And remember, if you do have to carry someone out you'll have your own gear to carry as well.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-01-24 14:07:53

#57

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5724|Ventura, California

13urnzz wrote:
RTHKI wrote:
-Sh1fty- wrote:
How much did you weigh, with all your combat gear on? Most I've carried so far was a 200lb poolee across a football field and back while jogging. Yes, yes I am fucking skinny. I am absolutely not weak.

I think I read somewhere that you weighed 220. If you had an Interceptor on and full combat load I"m going to say you were 260. I can't carry that. I'd cover while somebody else carried you.
Please read the op
well, there's hope for shitfy getting in at least. it would be sad if all the women in his training squad made it in, and left him behind . . .

Just got my waiver today. If there's any reason I don't get in it's for my eyesight. They asked for three waivers. Basically different opinions for the same reason "Nah we want a second opinion, third...etc."

I think I will do just fine in the Corps if they let me in. I want to be a combat engineer or an avionics mechanic.

edit: The female poolees are now required to do pullups just as the men are, so the physical standard for the Marines is rising for females. What TY said was fantastic and what Jay said in OP was too so I'm split right now. I have no doubt the girls I've seen who've shipped off to boot camp will be good Marines but I don't think they're cut-out for combat. The female DI that visited us was definitely cut out for combat but she was admin before being a DI and now she's admin again.

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2013-01-24 14:41:06

#58

Trotskygrad: бля; +354|6250|Vortex Ring State

Shocking wrote:
separate the female soldiers from the males and allow deployment if there's enough of them, problem solved.

this

2013-01-24 20:42:32

#59

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6967

-Sh1fty- wrote:
Jay wrote:
-Sh1fty- wrote:

I'm physically stronger than any of the female poolees. In other words, fuck off. Besides, I can fireman carry every male poolee, that's what I'll be ding this afternoon, thank you very much you cunt.
I seriously doubt you could've carried me
How much did you weigh, with all your combat gear on? Most I've carried so far was a 200lb poolee across a football field and back while jogging. Yes, yes I am fucking skinny. I am absolutely not weak.

I think I read somewhere that you weighed 220. If you had an Interceptor on and full combat load I"m going to say you were 260. I can't carry that. I'd cover while somebody else carried you.

Lol you'll do so well on a medevac run!

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2013-01-25 04:47:07

#60

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5836

Macbeth wrote:
That is good. At least now our female veterans would have done something more than sit on a base all day cooking and fucking.

Just over ten percent of women in the military said in 2008 they'd had an unintended pregnancy in the last year - a figure significantly higher than rates in the general public, according to a new study.

The findings come amid news that the Pentagon will lift the ban on women in front-line combat jobs starting in 2016.

"It does definitely have implications for troop readiness, ability to deploy (and) troops in combat missions if they are potentially at high risk for unintended pregnancy and pregnant women can't be deployed," said Dr. Vinita Goyal, who has studied unintended pregnancy in female veterans at Warren Alpert Medical School of Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSB … 4?irpc=932

And you called me a troll when I said all they do is fuck

2013-01-25 14:55:54

#61

Adams_BJ: Russian warship, go fuck yourself; +2,054|6873|Little Bentcock

If I had a pussy I'd do a lot of fucking too

2013-01-25 15:07:32

#62

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|7022|PNW

Too much info.

2013-01-28 18:14:45

#63

Adams_BJ: Russian warship, go fuck yourself; +2,054|6873|Little Bentcock

Can't put women in combat if you don't have them. Problem solved.

2013-01-28 23:26:43

#64

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5724|Ventura, California

edit: That sucks, every cut they make reduces my chances of getting in. Hope my good IST score and high ASVAB score help me out.

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2013-01-29 00:03:03

#65

Adams_BJ: Russian warship, go fuck yourself; +2,054|6873|Little Bentcock

Shouldn't that be a good thing? Having the best military in the world means only taking in the elite of the elite!

2013-01-29 00:23:28

#66

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6356|eXtreme to the maX

The govt can only hand out so much workfare, also the next war is ten years away, they'll start ramping up recruitment in about eight years time.

Fuck Israel

2013-01-29 00:33:40

#67

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5724|Ventura, California

Yup I can see that, ten years sounds about right with the current rate.

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2013-01-29 00:34:55

#68

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6403|what

I'm not saying this to be mean shifty, but I hope you never see combat.

2013-01-29 00:39:06

#69

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6967

AussieReaper wrote:
I'm not saying this to be mean shifty, but I hope you never see combat.

reported for insulting a forum member

2013-01-29 00:43:59

#70

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6356|eXtreme to the maX

I hope combat never sees Sh1fty.

Fuck Israel

2013-01-29 00:55:23

#71

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5724|Ventura, California

AussieReaper wrote:
I'm not saying this to be mean shifty, but I hope you never see combat.

Going to be a combat engineer, vehicle mechanic, or aircraft mechanic.

I don't think I'd be too bad at combat tbh. I think I've got a good head on my shoulders. Also; If I stand sideways I'm invisible and can't be hit.

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2013-01-29 03:22:54

#72

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5836

If you want to spend your life as a mechanic you will be better off finding a shop that will take you as an apprentice. There aren't enough aircraft in the world for all of the people coming out of the military. Car troubleshooting is hard and takes years to get skilled in. Better to start building experience in real world mechanics than tank repair.

Source: someone who worked as a wrench monkey for a 4 years after high school and has unemployed military aircraft engineer buddies.

Of course with you any advice you will hear will get ignored completely and you will end up working in Wal-Mart with a limb missing

2013-01-29 03:25:04

#73

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5429|Sydney

There's no saying he won't get a job as an aircraft mechanic. But I agree, you have to be prepared to face the realities of the world and whilst you chase one dream, having a fallback in mind can be considered prudent.

2013-01-29 04:20:28

#74

Adams_BJ: Russian warship, go fuck yourself; +2,054|6873|Little Bentcock

Says the bassist.

2013-01-29 04:30:30

#75

PrivateVendetta: I DEMAND XMAS THEME; +704|6442|Roma

not sure i want Shifty to see any aeroplane maintenance

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