Macbeth
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AAVE is a recognized dialect of English as is Standard American English (SAE). Both developed from British English at the same time. It has been argued fairly convincingly that black student's under performance in reading and writing may in part be attributed to being taught in a SAE while at home and in the community they use AAVE. So it has been suggested that AAVE be incorporated into school's with high black student populations in order to make learning SAE easier. Much in the same way ESL students receive some of their instruction in other languages in order to build up an English proficiency over time rather than just throwing them into a classroom that is only taught in English.

My fear regarding AAVE being taught in schools is that it will lead to further segregation among the student body. Schools are in part meant to build a sense of commonality through forced interaction and shared experience after all. Splitting up the student body along language lines during class time will not help achieve that goal. It will help divide and alienate people from one and another in schools though. This already happens with ESL students. ESL students are taught in different classes and for the most part aren't forced to interact with other students. Combine that with immigrants grouping together in places like Chinatown and you begin to have two fairly different communities begin to develop side by side. It wouldn't be as bad since AAVE and SAE students both speak the same language though I know.


So what do you think? Should AAVE be used in the classroom to help students learn SAE or should students be beaten into learning and using SAE the same way as everyone else?

Last edited by Macbeth (2013-01-04 12:21:20)

Uzique The Lesser
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vernaculars shouldn't be taught in schools. it's the dictionary definition of a 'vernacular'. students should be taught ABOUT vernacular, but they shouldn't be taught them as if they are languages in-themselves (they are not). there is an official-formal discourse, which is part of the point of the institution of education to instill in its citizens, and then there are socially specific and subcultural vernaculars. in a philosophical way, linguistic formalism is the main barrier permitting entry into high-professions and official-state jobs: you must 'game' each specific language-system and prove your rhetorical and theoretical credibility within that formal system. hence education and exams are as much about learning how to express yourself in the correct state-approved way as they are about learning new concepts or taking onboard new knowledge. the language is the application, and the language is the social medium. vernaculars are for casual and street-talk. official language must be spoken in official institutions.

you'd be better off learning ancient greek/latin, or spanish, or french, or russian, or mandarin... or whatever.

Last edited by aynrandroolz (2013-01-04 12:15:23)

Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
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There is no reason to conduct classes in anything but SAE. Speakers of any american vernacular should be able to easily understand SAE. And most speakers of SAE should be able to understand any American vernacular.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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No.
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unnamednewbie13
Moderator
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Should African American Vernacular English be taught
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and no. Definitely the FUCK not. Why should it be? Is Texan a prerequisite in Illinois schools? What good would it do? People in this country all seem to have their own variation on the putrid language of mumblese.
AussieReaper
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Should African American Vernacular English be taught
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and no. Definitely the FUCK not.
Aw hell naw.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5597|London, England
Sure why not?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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ROGUEDD
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lol
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Adams_BJ
Russian warship, go fuck yourself
+2,054|6861|Little Bentcock
I was gonna go against the grain and say yes, but then jay said yes, so no.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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I vote for Creole, WASP and Italian-American English also.

"Dis is de shirt before de shirt, eh!"

Should be teaching English, not American 'English'.
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DrunkFace
Germans did 911
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I think english should be taught.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
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Made me think of this
Macbeth
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Taught was probably the wrong word to use. I mean have some AAVE incorporated into the teaching plan in order to supplement the development of SAE. Maybe a textbook written in part in AAVE etc. I didn't mean having students be taught the rules of AAVE in the same manner as we are taught SAE here.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6928|Tampa Bay Florida
Do students even learn take many language courses anymore?  About the most important thing I learned about English was that it was Germanic language, which I learned in German class.  The rest was exam-preparation bullshit.  Maybe its different up north.
Macbeth
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In HS you had to take one foreign language course in order to graduate. If you were planning to go to college you should have taken 2 or more.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6928|Tampa Bay Florida
Aren't we already working with limited resources?  Meh

Last edited by Spearhead (2013-01-05 06:35:17)

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