Gun politics, firearms ownership, and US 2nd amendment discussion

2013-01-03 21:05:24

#1176

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5568|London, England

Narupug wrote:
Jay wrote:
Narupug wrote:

Which makes them more likely to kill someone out of panic when they find out they're armed.
Or think twice about a life of crime.
You really think the average criminal is playing the long game Jay?

I think it is a deterrent, yes. What keeps people honest? For many, it's the fear of getting caught or hurt. If guns were stripped from society I guarantee there would be a dramatic uptick in crime. There just aren't enough cops, and we can't afford to pay more.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-01-03 21:21:36

#1177

Adams_BJ: Russian warship, go fuck yourself; +2,054|6833|Little Bentcock

I bet if you made it compulsory to safely store your weapons, people would do it out of fear of being caught and less would be stolen and there would be less gun crime etc etc.

2013-01-03 21:28:44

#1178

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6316|eXtreme to the maX

You could afford more cops if you cut the military, and paid cops military wages - which is what they're worth really.

Its win-win, win-win-win if it means you don't need to provoke regular wars to justify having a bloated military and to disguise your real unemployment rate with workfare.

At least they'd be doing useful workfare.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2013-01-03 21:31:43)

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2013-01-03 22:17:49

#1179

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6982|PNW

Then could we give the military stuff to the cops? I'd like to see the Lakewood police tearing up Bridgeport with their M1A2's.

2013-01-03 22:23:39

#1180

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5389|Sydney

There wouldn't be any more sieges, they could just scud the place from a base miles away.

2013-01-03 22:42:56

#1181

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5684|Ventura, California

I have a simple question. Why do we need gun laws, and if we do, would criminals obey them?

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2013-01-03 22:48:49

#1182

Adams_BJ: Russian warship, go fuck yourself; +2,054|6833|Little Bentcock

-Sh1fty- wrote:
I have a simple question. Why do we need gun laws, and if we do, would criminals obey them?

Lets just ignore the last couple of pages.

2013-01-03 22:49:57

#1183

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5389|Sydney

-Sh1fty- wrote:
I have a simple loaded question.

2013-01-03 23:03:10

#1184

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5684|Ventura, California

It doesn't make sense and it never does. We can all agree here that criminals are the ones we want to keep guns away from. They can obtain weapons easily even if there are strict gun laws. Why bother making it hard for law abiding citizens to get what they want? If I want an AR-15 here in California I will get a lousy welded-in magazine so that I have to open the upper receiver anytime I want to reload. A criminal can still fire thirty rounds it's retarded.

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2013-01-03 23:15:05

#1185

Adams_BJ: Russian warship, go fuck yourself; +2,054|6833|Little Bentcock

-Sh1fty- wrote:
It doesn't make sense and it never does. We can all agree here that criminals are the ones we want to keep guns away from. They can obtain weapons easily even if there are strict gun laws. Why bother making it hard for law abiding citizens to get what they want? If I want an AR-15 here in California I will get a lousy welded-in magazine so that I have to open the upper receiver anytime I want to reload. A criminal can still fire thirty rounds it's retarded.

You aren't getting it, either through narrow mindedness or through sheer dumb dumbness. It's not about making it harder (because it isn't any harder), it about making a firearm owner RESPONSIBLE for his firearms. Do this, and over time the amount of illegal weapons used in crime will reduce, like it has here in AU, to pretty much just organised crime. Because people don't want a weapon tied to them used in a crime, they take better care of it, which means less kids dead, less accidental shootings, less thefts. Organised crime doesn't break into John Citizen's house. And you still get to keep your guns.

It works everywhere else, and everywhere else you can still have gunzz.

2013-01-03 23:33:17

#1186

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6316|eXtreme to the maX

-Sh1fty- wrote:
I have a simple question. Why do we need gun laws, and if we do, would criminals obey them?

NRA Copy-paste strawman is boring.

Why have any laws? Criminals aren't going to obey them so whats the point really?

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2013-01-03 23:36:01

#1187

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5684|Ventura, California

Please tell me how giving AR-15s fixed magazines and not allowing me to put a pistol grip and retractable stock on my mini 14 makes me more responsible. I can't own a pistol yet but anybody over 21 here can buy a 7 round 1911. They can't get a double-stacked 14 round magazine though because obviously only criminals use those.

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2013-01-03 23:40:45

#1188

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6316|eXtreme to the maX

So vote in a different govt, or don't live in California.

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2013-01-03 23:46:17

#1189

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5684|Ventura, California

I've never heard of gun laws getting less strict. I fear eventually all states will have really hard gun laws.

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2013-01-03 23:48:16

#1190

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5389|Sydney

-Sh1fty- wrote:
I've never heard of gun laws getting less strict. I fear eventually all states will have really hard gun laws.

And yet you will still be able to legally own a gun. I don't see what there is to be afraid of, other than paranoia.

2013-01-03 23:53:13

#1191

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5684|Ventura, California

You're missing my point Jeakus. Yes, I can own a gun, a nice bolt-action hunting rifle. What if I want a fully automatic AR-15 with a drum magazine and a ton of tannerite to have fun with in the desert? Yes Jeakus, yes, I can most definitely get that. I will only need a few ten of thousands of dollars for permits and the weapon itself because of government regulation. Will criminals have easier access to higher powered weaponry? Yes, but so will we.

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2013-01-03 23:59:55

#1192

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5389|Sydney

I find it sad that people complain about their toys being taken away or even just made it harder to get them when it would help prevent kids being shot up in a mass murder. But hey, it's all about selfishness freedom, right?

2013-01-04 00:06:23

#1193

Superior Mind: (not macbeth); +1,755|6903

If you take our guns away we have no way to win the revolution.

x

2013-01-04 00:06:41

#1194

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5684|Ventura, California

Jaekus wrote:
I find it sad that people complain about their toys being taken away or even just made it harder to get them when it would help prevent kids being shot up in a mass murder. But hey, it's all about selfishness freedom, right?

Assault rifles were illegal in Connecticut
School was a gun-free zone
Criminal bought the guns in another state
etc.

None of what you're saying isn't a big deal would have helped keep those kids alive. It's penalizing people for something they didn't do and it wouldn't help anyway. Illonois is trying to pass some crazy shit right now that won't help either.

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2013-01-04 00:10:23