you liar - i just tried it and it didn't work . . .
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you liar - i just tried it and I didn't work . . .
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The above is why it could be quite impossible to ever communicate with an alien species, were we to encounter one.
Imagine if they speak and see in the ranges we cannot, what do we do, tap morse code onto their foreheads and hope it registers?
Imagine if they speak and see in the ranges we cannot, what do we do, tap morse code onto their foreheads and hope it registers?
Assuming they have foreheads...
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alot of forum members don't have foreheads but we seem to be able to communicate with them . . . :\ROGUEDD wrote:
Assuming they have foreheads...
Everyone knows aliens have huge foreheads.ROGUEDD wrote:
Assuming they have foreheads...
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FixedFEOS wrote:
Everyone knows aliens have huge probes.
Fuck Israel
I'm sure spacefaring races would be able to overcome such a communications obstacle...
You do know that we have instruments that can detect/emit sound/el.mag. waves we can't...AussieReaper wrote:
The above is why it could be quite impossible to ever communicate with an alien species, were we to encounter one.
Imagine if they speak and see in the ranges we cannot, what do we do, tap morse code onto their foreheads and hope it registers?
i'm fairly sure that any alien race would know how to use a radioAussieReaper wrote:
The above is why it could be quite impossible to ever communicate with an alien species, were we to encounter one.
Imagine if they speak and see in the ranges we cannot, what do we do, tap morse code onto their foreheads and hope it registers?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Hence the SETI program. But that assumes they are listening.
The only way to communicate - at least for the first encounters, would have to be math based. A series of exponential numbers, or mathematical proofs - we assume. Because that's how we would expect to be greeted.
But how do you communicate that to a gaseous life form? Or one that exists as a liquid? The aliens could communicate to each other through merely diffusion/osmosis. I doubt we could ever reproduce that langauge, let alone understand at attempt to communicate to us should we meet one.
The only way to communicate - at least for the first encounters, would have to be math based. A series of exponential numbers, or mathematical proofs - we assume. Because that's how we would expect to be greeted.
But how do you communicate that to a gaseous life form? Or one that exists as a liquid? The aliens could communicate to each other through merely diffusion/osmosis. I doubt we could ever reproduce that langauge, let alone understand at attempt to communicate to us should we meet one.
Yeah, because likewise, our only methods of communication are vocal cords and sign language.AussieReaper wrote:
Hence the SETI program. But that assumes they are listening.
The only way to communicate - at least for the first encounters, would have to be math based. A series of exponential numbers, or mathematical proofs - we assume. Because that's how we would expect to be greeted.
But how do you communicate that to a gaseous life form? Or one that exists as a liquid? The aliens could communicate to each other through merely diffusion/osmosis. I doubt we could ever reproduce that langauge, let alone understand at attempt to communicate to us should we meet one.
The NORUSCA II cam can capture many wavelengths - they are using it to capture auroras http://esciencenews.com/articles/2012/1 … hs.auroras(HUN)Rudebwoy wrote:
You do know that we have instruments that can detect/emit sound/el.mag. waves we can't...AussieReaper wrote:
The above is why it could be quite impossible to ever communicate with an alien species, were we to encounter one.
Imagine if they speak and see in the ranges we cannot, what do we do, tap morse code onto their foreheads and hope it registers?
Why would you assume that our system of mathematics would make any sense to an alien race, and vice versa?AussieReaper wrote:
Hence the SETI program. But that assumes they are listening.
The only way to communicate - at least for the first encounters, would have to be math based. A series of exponential numbers, or mathematical proofs - we assume. Because that's how we would expect to be greeted.
But how do you communicate that to a gaseous life form? Or one that exists as a liquid? The aliens could communicate to each other through merely diffusion/osmosis. I doubt we could ever reproduce that langauge, let alone understand at attempt to communicate to us should we meet one.
If they see/hear in completely different bands than us, how would we even convey mathematical concepts to them in the hopes they would understand our numbers, symbols, assumptions, etc?
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There are plenty of intelligent nonhuman lifeforms on Earth we have yet to establish a dialogue with. How can we expect to chat with an alien? If this was really a concern of our we would be putting more effort into communicating with plants and other animals.
If we demonstrate what the number Pi is, or Pythagoras theorem - they'll understand, it's the same math they use after all. Math is a universal constant that language, culture and race cannot influence. But again, this needs the assumption that they are of a certain technological point to know these concepts of math. You can't do this for a caveman.FEOS wrote:
Why would you assume that our system of mathematics would make any sense to an alien race, and vice versa?AussieReaper wrote:
Hence the SETI program. But that assumes they are listening.
The only way to communicate - at least for the first encounters, would have to be math based. A series of exponential numbers, or mathematical proofs - we assume. Because that's how we would expect to be greeted.
But how do you communicate that to a gaseous life form? Or one that exists as a liquid? The aliens could communicate to each other through merely diffusion/osmosis. I doubt we could ever reproduce that langauge, let alone understand at attempt to communicate to us should we meet one.
If they see/hear in completely different bands than us, how would we even convey mathematical concepts to them in the hopes they would understand our numbers, symbols, assumptions, etc?
We need to be able to recognise the thr bands they communicate in to replicate. That's my argument though, we need to be able to do that first. If they exist or communicate in a dimension we don't understand, there's no hope.
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Why the heck are there so many stars beyond the event horizon?Jaekus wrote:
Oh...
It's just dust and dirt on my screen...
Reminds me on xmas eve one year a tv station had the rights to screen Carols in the Domain (in Sydney, it's huge) so the other station put on Event Horizon insteadglobefish23 wrote:
Why the heck are there so many stars beyond the event horizon?Jaekus wrote:
Oh...
It's just dust and dirt on my screen...
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What if they use a base 12 system with different rule sets? What if they don't even have digits and their math base is something completely unknowable to us? What good does coming to agreement on pi (or whatever they call it in their system) do if the very foundation of their mathematics is totally different from ours? What if pi has no relevance to them?AussieReaper wrote:
If we demonstrate what the number Pi is, or Pythagoras theorem - they'll understand, it's the same math they use after all. Math is a universal constant that language, culture and race cannot influence. But again, this needs the assumption that they are of a certain technological point to know these concepts of math. You can't do this for a caveman.FEOS wrote:
Why would you assume that our system of mathematics would make any sense to an alien race, and vice versa?AussieReaper wrote:
Hence the SETI program. But that assumes they are listening.
The only way to communicate - at least for the first encounters, would have to be math based. A series of exponential numbers, or mathematical proofs - we assume. Because that's how we would expect to be greeted.
But how do you communicate that to a gaseous life form? Or one that exists as a liquid? The aliens could communicate to each other through merely diffusion/osmosis. I doubt we could ever reproduce that langauge, let alone understand at attempt to communicate to us should we meet one.
If they see/hear in completely different bands than us, how would we even convey mathematical concepts to them in the hopes they would understand our numbers, symbols, assumptions, etc?
We need to be able to recognise the thr bands they communicate in to replicate. That's my argument though, we need to be able to do that first. If they exist or communicate in a dimension we don't understand, there's no hope.
Making the assumption that mathematics is universal is extremely ethnocentric (from a planetary perspective).
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Well, because it is. Or rather, how our universe works. Save for perhaps what we have yet to comprehend that they already understand as second nature.FEOS wrote:
Making the assumption that mathematics is universal is extremely ethnocentric (from a planetary perspective).
Just a matter of translation. Like how our binary machines through various intermediaries, communicates to us.
Exactly my point. It's a matter of translation--no different than other methods of communication, suffering from the same potential obstacles.Ilocano wrote:
Well, because it is. Or rather, how our universe works. Save for perhaps what we have yet to comprehend that they already understand as second nature.FEOS wrote:
Making the assumption that mathematics is universal is extremely ethnocentric (from a planetary perspective).
Just a matter of translation. Like how our binary machines through various intermediaries, communicates to us.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
That's not really a fundamentally different maths IMO, just working in a different base. A fundamentally different set of axioms... that's a different matter.FEOS wrote:
What if they use a base 12 system with different rule sets? What if they don't even have digits and their math base is something completely unknowable to us? What good does coming to agreement on pi (or whatever they call it in their system) do if the very foundation of their mathematics is totally different from ours? What if pi has no relevance to them?AussieReaper wrote:
If we demonstrate what the number Pi is, or Pythagoras theorem - they'll understand, it's the same math they use after all. Math is a universal constant that language, culture and race cannot influence. But again, this needs the assumption that they are of a certain technological point to know these concepts of math. You can't do this for a caveman.FEOS wrote:
Why would you assume that our system of mathematics would make any sense to an alien race, and vice versa?
If they see/hear in completely different bands than us, how would we even convey mathematical concepts to them in the hopes they would understand our numbers, symbols, assumptions, etc?
We need to be able to recognise the thr bands they communicate in to replicate. That's my argument though, we need to be able to do that first. If they exist or communicate in a dimension we don't understand, there's no hope.
Making the assumption that mathematics is universal is extremely ethnocentric (from a planetary perspective).
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The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
That's cool but in reality would you be able to see slightly less lights as the night goes on for them? A lot of people are up (with their lights on) after the sun goes down (especially in the winter - as was shown there in the N. Hemisphere) but not as many people are up just before the sun comes up. Seems like if you watched one area it would get slightly darker as the night went on. Then again, the amount of light disappearing from single residences might be negligible compared to the metropolis lights that stay on the whole night.
just my 2 cents. still really cool video.
just my 2 cents. still really cool video.