Poll

What should the US do about the Iran situation?

Continue pressing for UN Security Council Sanctions17%17% - 21
Use Backchannel diplomacy through Russia9%9% - 12
Launch a conventional Invasion8%8% - 10
Let Israel handle it13%13% - 16
Nuke them into the Stone Age27%27% - 33
Nothing24%24% - 30
Total: 122
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6801

lowing wrote:

Hey Bubbalo, the Iranian president is building nuclear weapons and has openly discussed wipping out an entire nation at the same time. Split all the hairs you want. you can not deny my post that started this so you only can pull the famous "what is the definition of "IS"? bullshit.
Oh, is he building nuclear weapons?  Can you prove it?  Please, do.  And then explain why America can have nuclear weapons and he can't.  And *then* explain why Israel can have weapons and he can't.  And *then* explain how you know he doesn't just want Israel to no longer be a nation, and for it to insted be Palestine.  Y'Know, like it was before Zionists started killing all the Palestinians.

lowing wrote:

As far as the native Americans, I can not or will not defend or condone the actions of the US govt. 150 fucking years ago!!!!!
And America has done what exactly to repair the damage?

Last edited by Bubbalo (2006-05-24 18:46:55)

lowing
Banned
+1,662|6891|USA

Bubbalo wrote:

lowing wrote:

Hey Bubbalo, the Iranian president is building nuclear weapons and has openly discussed wipping out an entire nation at the same time. Split all the hairs you want. you can not deny my post that started this so you only can pull the famous "what is the definition of "IS"? bullshit.
Oh, is he building nuclear weapons?  Can you prove it?  Please, do.  And then explain why America can have nuclear weapons and he can't.  And *then* explain why Israel can have weapons and he can't.  And *then* explain how you know he doesn't just want Israel to no longer be a nation, and for it to insted be Palestine.  Y'Know, like it was before Zionists started killing all the Palestinians.

lowing wrote:

As far as the native Americans, I can not or will not defend or condone the actions of the US govt. 150 fucking years ago!!!!!
And America has done what exactly to repair the damage?
I don't need to prove it, the almighty UN unamiously approved a statement demanding that Iran suspend uranium enrichment, and I knowwwwwww you are a big UN fan, so they must think that Iran is up to something more than just baking cookies behind closed doors.

There isn't anyone in the world that is afraid the US is going tonuke them and we are in control of them.

I know he doesn't want Israel to be a nation because he said as much.where have you been? Based on whatever you are using for logic, if he only want Irael to be Palenstine, then Mexico "only" wants the USA to be Mexico....you really lost me on that last statement.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6891|USA

Bubbalo wrote:

lowing wrote:

Hey Bubbalo, the Iranian president is building nuclear weapons and has openly discussed wipping out an entire nation at the same time. Split all the hairs you want. you can not deny my post that started this so you only can pull the famous "what is the definition of "IS"? bullshit.
Oh, is he building nuclear weapons?  Can you prove it?  Please, do.  And then explain why America can have nuclear weapons and he can't.  And *then* explain why Israel can have weapons and he can't.  And *then* explain how you know he doesn't just want Israel to no longer be a nation, and for it to insted be Palestine.  Y'Know, like it was before Zionists started killing all the Palestinians.

lowing wrote:

As far as the native Americans, I can not or will not defend or condone the actions of the US govt. 150 fucking years ago!!!!!
And America has done what exactly to repair the damage?
Gunna have to look that one up for ya, I am not sure. I hear there are benifits though. Anyway, if 200-150 years ago is the best you can do as your proof that America is evil, I think I win the point.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6801

lowing wrote:

I don't need to prove it, the almighty UN unamiously approved a statement demanding that Iran suspend uranium enrichment, and I knowwwwwww you are a big UN fan, so they must think that Iran is up to something more than just baking cookies behind closed doors.
But they can't prove it, can they?  Maybe they just don't want him spending too little on power.  I have never said that I'm a fan of the UN.

lowing wrote:

There isn't anyone in the world that is afraid the US is going tonuke them and we are in control of them.
I think there are plenty in the Middle East who would disagree.  And what about Israel?

lowing wrote:

I know he doesn't want Israel to be a nation because he said as much.where have you been? Based on whatever you are using for logic, if he only want Irael to be Palenstine, then Mexico "only" wants the USA to be Mexico....you really lost me on that last statement.
You imply wants Israel to become a wasteland.  Maybe he just wants it to be back to Palestine, and a fairer deal for the non-Jews living there.

lowing wrote:

Gunna have to look that one up for ya, I am not sure. I hear there are benifits though. Anyway, if 200-150 years ago is the best you can do as your proof that America is evil, I think I win the point.
150 years is only 3 generations.  Not, much if you think about it.  We're 1 generation away from the holocaust, and Germany is still paying reparations.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6891|USA

Bubbalo wrote:

lowing wrote:

I don't need to prove it, the almighty UN unanimously approved a statement demanding that Iran suspend uranium enrichment, and I knowwwwwww you are a big UN fan, so they must think that Iran is up to something more than just baking cookies behind closed doors.
But they can't prove it, can they?  Maybe they just don't want him spending too little on power.  I have never said that I'm a fan of the UN.

lowing wrote:

There isn't anyone in the world that is afraid the US is going tonuke them and we are in control of them.
I think there are plenty in the Middle East who would disagree.  And what about Israel?

lowing wrote:

I know he doesn't want Israel to be a nation because he said as much.where have you been? Based on whatever you are using for logic, if he only want Israel to be Palestine, then Mexico "only" wants the USA to be Mexico....you really lost me on that last statement.
You imply wants Israel to become a wasteland.  Maybe he just wants it to be back to Palestine, and a fairer deal for the non-Jews living there.

lowing wrote:

Gunna have to look that one up for ya, I am not sure. I hear there are benefits though. Anyway, if 200-150 years ago is the best you can do as your proof that America is evil, I think I win the point.
150 years is only 3 generations.  Not, much if you think about it.  We're 1 generation away from the holocaust, and Germany is still paying reparations.
lol 3 generations would put my grandparents in the 1870's and I ain't that old, ya might wanna re figure it. Although I am not sure what generations have got to do with anything on this, but hey, I guess when you are struggling for SOMETHING or ANYTHING to back up your warped opinions you gotta try.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6801
Feel free to go ahead and ignore my other points.  You know they're right anyway.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6891|USA

Bubbalo wrote:

Feel free to go ahead and ignore my other points.  You know they're right anyway.
you know me better than to ignore your posts, I get all my + karma through dealin' with your bullshit . lol

When he says Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth, yeah I am gunna assume he means wasteland for Israel. No I doubt Kuwiat, Saudia Arabia, UAE,etc.... fears American nukes, if they did they would be screaming bloody murder to the UN, and it seems like a non-issue to them.

As far as proving that Iran is making nukes, the UN seem to be more "in the know" about what is happening over there far more than you and I,I am going with what THEY state are concerns about it. So if u have some special knowledge about Iran that the UN doesn't have,  you could call them on your speed dial and clue them in so the world can put this issue to rest.

Last edited by lowing (2006-05-25 15:18:52)

Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6801
Except that the UN has never stated that they believe Iran is building nukes.  Even if they did, politics would have more to do with it than actual info.  Regardless, this brings us back to why the US and Israel can have nukes and Iran can't.

lowing wrote:

you know me better than to ignore your posts, I get all my + karma through dealin' with your bullshit . lol
That's pretty sad.  I get most of my karma for the quality of my posts, as opposed to karmaing along team lines.  Whatever floats your boat, I guess.

Last edited by Bubbalo (2006-05-25 04:16:30)

lowing
Banned
+1,662|6891|USA

Bubbalo wrote:

Except that the UN has never stated that they believe Iran is building nukes.  Even if they did, politics would have more to do with it than actual info.  Regardless, this brings us back to why the US and Israel can have nukes and Iran can't.

lowing wrote:

you know me better than to ignore your posts, I get all my + karma through dealin' with your bullshit . lol
That's pretty sad.  I get most of my karma for the quality of my posts, as opposed to karmaing along team lines.  Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
That must be why your karma is ZERO!!
Y0URDAD
I'ma Eat Yo Children!
+17|6885|Annapolis, MD
I think we should drop a vehicle on their commander.
xXSarnathXx
Decepticons forever!
+25|6848|Sweden
why cant Iran have nukes if US can have them?
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6891|USA

xXSarnathXx wrote:

why cant Iran have nukes if US can have them?
America is not a threat to the free world. Iran is and they have proven it in the past, as they are proving it with their rhetoric about Israel

Also, ask the UN they are the ones pushing for sanctions

Last edited by lowing (2006-05-25 15:28:23)

Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6801
The UN is a political tool.  And besides, how do we know America isn't, and won't be, a threat to the free world.  Or China.  Or Pakistan.  Or Inda.

Besides, if Iran's so horrible, why did they offer to negotiate, and the US refused?
Sydney
2λчиэλ
+783|7083|Reykjavík, Iceland.

lowing wrote:

xXSarnathXx wrote:

why cant Iran have nukes if US can have them?
America is not a threat to the free world. Iran is and they have proven it in the past, as they are proving it with their rhetoric about Israel

Also, ask the UN they are the ones pushing for sanctions
Explain "The Free World" please.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6891|USA

PBAsydney wrote:

lowing wrote:

xXSarnathXx wrote:

why cant Iran have nukes if US can have them?
America is not a threat to the free world. Iran is and they have proven it in the past, as they are proving it with their rhetoric about Israel

Also, ask the UN they are the ones pushing for sanctions
Explain "The Free World" please.
If I really need to explain what I mean by the free world, then you need to go back to school.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6891|USA

Bubbalo wrote:

The UN is a political tool.  And besides, how do we know America isn't, and won't be, a threat to the free world.  Or China.  Or Pakistan.  Or Inda.

Besides, if Iran's so horrible, why did they offer to negotiate, and the US refused?
For the same reason Iraq wanted to "negotiate" for the past decade before we went in.....It is a stall tactic and you know it.
dark110
Member
+37|6862|Chicagoland

PBAsydney wrote:

BTW. How come USA is allowed to own nukes, but not Iran?
becaus the US dose not wantthem to destroy Israel
JohnnyBlanco
Member
+44|6811|England
invade. keep oil, kill everyone and use remaining land for nuclear waste disposal / gulag style death camps for foreigners who speak......funny.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6891|USA

JohnnyBlanco wrote:

invade. keep oil, kill everyone and use remaining land for nuclear waste disposal / gulag style death camps for foreigners who speak......funny.
^^^^^^^^^
democrat
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6884
we should do the same thing we did to cuba in the 60's.  quarantine iran to the best of our abilities and let the Iranians decide which course of action they are willing to take in order to achieve that nuclear status
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6891|USA

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

we should do the same thing we did to cuba in the 60's.  quarantine iran to the best of our abilities and let the Iranians decide which course of action they are willing to take in order to achieve that nuclear status
Kinda seemed to work for Libya, didn't it??
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6884
qadafi learned his lesson
xXSarnathXx
Decepticons forever!
+25|6848|Sweden
the way i see it, islamic fundamentalists are the same christian fundamentalists, so basically iran...iraq whatever is the same as the us. the only difference is that christianity is much more accepted in the western world. but when it all comes down to it, its not that different.

and terrorism, how come its justified to invade another country, killing thousands of lives, and its not justified to commit terrorist acts? isnt it basically the same?
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6884

xXSarnathXx wrote:

the way i see it, islamic fundamentalists are the same christian fundamentalists, so basically iran...iraq whatever is the same as the us. the only difference is that christianity is much more accepted in the western world. but when it all comes down to it, its not that different.

and terrorism, how come its justified to invade another country, killing thousands of lives, and its not justified to commit terrorist acts? isnt it basically the same?
no.  Terrorist use violence to send a message to whom ever they want to hear that message.  The military using violence to destroy the enemy, not to prove a point.  Terrorist specifically target non-combatants, as they are easy, soft targets which whom they could do the most damage.  Soldiers find and kill the enemy, if non-combatants die, its a tragedy but its also called collateral damage. The target is not the civilian, it is the terrorist, if a civilian dies, thats just the way the cookie crumbles.
xXSarnathXx
Decepticons forever!
+25|6848|Sweden
but were still talkin about human lives, a life isnt worth less just cuz s/he's in the military.

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