Nah, our governor and legislature are majority red. Wisconsin hasn't gone red in a presidential election in awhile because of Madison and Milwaukee.mtb0minime wrote:
Wisconsin went blue? That must be really upsetting.
I've been wondering how the election would've gone if our electoral system was proportional, based on congressional district.
Geographic results (by county)
Congressional districts
Would be interesting to see a merging of these two, with the corresponding elector count. Only a handful of states would've been "all in" for either candidate.
Geographic results (by county)
Congressional districts
Would be interesting to see a merging of these two, with the corresponding elector count. Only a handful of states would've been "all in" for either candidate.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
You'd see a radically different campaign then, wouldn't you? Would look much more like a UK/Aus style seat-by-seat election (which, trust me, can be seriously debilitating, especially when the earmarks start flying)
Also, my understanding is that there has been significant redrawing of the district boundaries in favour of Republicans - so that might not be an especially democratic thing to do.
Also, my understanding is that there has been significant redrawing of the district boundaries in favour of Republicans - so that might not be an especially democratic thing to do.
Last edited by Spark (2012-11-07 20:56:19)
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Both of those thoughts occurred to me. However, since the district sizes are generally inversely proportional to the population density and urban areas tend to vote more democrat than republican, it should balance out, but would balance the impact of the urban vs rural areas on the overall electoral count--which was the intent of the electoral college to begin with.Spark wrote:
You'd see a radically different campaign then, wouldn't you? Would look much more like a UK/Aus style seat-by-seat election (which, trust me, can be seriously debilitating, especially when the earmarks start flying)
Also, my understanding is that there has been significant redrawing of the district boundaries in favour of Republicans - so that might not be an especially democratic thing to do.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
if only acreage had the right to vote.
if you merged the two, then utah wouldn't have democratic representation.FEOS wrote:
I've been wondering how the election would've gone if our electoral system was proportional, based on congressional district.
Geographic results (by county)
Congressional districts
Would be interesting to see a merging of these two, with the corresponding elector count. Only a handful of states would've been "all in" for either candidate.
makes sense, if you*re a republican in utah.
In this state it's the other way around, they redistricted in favor of Democrats, and it directly affected the election because one of the two Republicans lost a seat they had held for 20 years(I think he was like 86 years old, lol). Passing our new gerrymandered redistricting map was Question 5 but nobody knew what it meant so the new map went through. The new Democrat guy seems pretty cool though, apparently he runs a few businesses or firms of some sort, financed much of his own campaign and he even beat out one of the Governor's corrupt Democrat crew in the primary so he can't be all bad for a change. Not that it matters, I'm not in that district, but my guy won his place again and he seems pretty cool too, he keeps in touch with anybody who e-mails him(or fills out one of those petition things like I did) and mails those people the results of General Assemblies(Maryland's state congress basically) when they go through a large amount of issues and I also agree on many of the same things he does.Spark wrote:
Also, my understanding is that there has been significant redrawing of the district boundaries in favour of Republicans - so that might not be an especially democratic thing to do.
Last edited by _j5689_ (2012-11-07 21:20:04)
Can someone from the midwest please explain the giant chunk of blue in West Illinois/East Iowa/Southwest Wisconsin?
I realized that certain areas in Wisconsin were crazy liberal and knew Chicago was too but there's just a blob of blue out in the middle of nowhere in Feos' map.
I realized that certain areas in Wisconsin were crazy liberal and knew Chicago was too but there's just a blob of blue out in the middle of nowhere in Feos' map.
That would work, but I can only imagine that being viable when you have a politically neutral, and preferably federal, body having oversight over electorate boundaries.FEOS wrote:
Both of those thoughts occurred to me. However, since the district sizes are generally inversely proportional to the population density and urban areas tend to vote more democrat than republican, it should balance out, but would balance the impact of the urban vs rural areas on the overall electoral count--which was the intent of the electoral college to begin with.Spark wrote:
You'd see a radically different campaign then, wouldn't you? Would look much more like a UK/Aus style seat-by-seat election (which, trust me, can be seriously debilitating, especially when the earmarks start flying)
Also, my understanding is that there has been significant redrawing of the district boundaries in favour of Republicans - so that might not be an especially democratic thing to do.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Yeah, the point isn't that it's Republicans drawing the districts. It's that it seems seriously undemocratic to me for partisan politicians to have anything to do with drawing the districts at all, but it's your system._j5689_ wrote:
In this state it's the other way around, they redistricted in favor of Democrats, and it directly affected the election because one of the two Republicans lost a seat they had held for 20 years(I think he was like 86 years old, lol). Passing our new gerrymandered redistricting map was Question 5 but nobody knew what it meant so the new map went through. The new Democrat guy seems pretty cool though, apparently he runs a few businesses or firms of some sort, financed much of his own campaign and he even beat out one of the Governor's corrupt Democrat crew in the primary so he can't be all bad for a change. Not that it matters, I'm not in that district, but my guy won his place again and he seems pretty cool too, he keeps in touch with anybody who e-mails him(or fills out one of those petition things like I did) and mails those people the results of General Assemblies(Maryland's state congress basically) when they go through a large amount of issues and I also agree on many of the same things he does.Spark wrote:
Also, my understanding is that there has been significant redrawing of the district boundaries in favour of Republicans - so that might not be an especially democratic thing to do.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
congratulations (belated) to america on common sense prevailing in your elections once again.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
You can almost hear their angry keyboard strokes as you read.
Yeah well done GaryI am very happy to hear that Gary Johnson got 1.1 million votes. That is a great accomplishment. He and his team should be very proud. That is the one bright spot of the night, indeed.
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Now America's sexiest Congress person.
Oh well, 4 more years of utter shit, disappointing. Oh and I am definitely not gonna vote for a Libertarian candidate at all for quite awhile, I was willing to vote for a Libertarian when it comes to the local and state levels and possibly vote libertarian nationally if I had to, but now I think I will adopt their stubbornness for not voting for Romney in all scenarios, I lost all my respect for them.
I'd like to give my thanks to the national(not local, national) tea party and Rand Paul for supporting Mark Neumann as our Republican candidate for Wisconsin Senate which helped result in Tommy Thompson winning instead of Eric Hovde, thanks for getting into the affairs of our local elections jackasses. Tommy Thompson spent his little cash on stupid "Tammy Baldwin is too liberal for Wisconsin" ads which didn't help him. Oh and Thompson is a moderate which makes him more winnable....
Thumbs up for Chris Christy hugging Obama before the elections, dumbass. Kiss your chances of being President goodbye because we won't vote for you as Republican candidate for President with what you did.
Romney should of been slightly more aggressive in his ads, by better explaining what he was gonna do and slam Obama on things like Benghazi. Mr Nice Guy that Republicans tend to play as in Presidential elections doesn't help them win.
On the bright side, Paul Ryan kept his seat, Republicans still have the House, and the Wisconsin state senate has been reclaimed by Republicans(so now we can get things done again in Wisconsin). If Obama wants to get things done, he has gotta reach out and compromise, otherwise his 4 years are almost worthless and a waste of time.
Yes, laugh at this post all you want guys, haha. I really don't care.
On a side note, Wisconsin is purple, not blue. Also, I enjoy Halo 4
I'd like to give my thanks to the national(not local, national) tea party and Rand Paul for supporting Mark Neumann as our Republican candidate for Wisconsin Senate which helped result in Tommy Thompson winning instead of Eric Hovde, thanks for getting into the affairs of our local elections jackasses. Tommy Thompson spent his little cash on stupid "Tammy Baldwin is too liberal for Wisconsin" ads which didn't help him. Oh and Thompson is a moderate which makes him more winnable....
Thumbs up for Chris Christy hugging Obama before the elections, dumbass. Kiss your chances of being President goodbye because we won't vote for you as Republican candidate for President with what you did.
Romney should of been slightly more aggressive in his ads, by better explaining what he was gonna do and slam Obama on things like Benghazi. Mr Nice Guy that Republicans tend to play as in Presidential elections doesn't help them win.
On the bright side, Paul Ryan kept his seat, Republicans still have the House, and the Wisconsin state senate has been reclaimed by Republicans(so now we can get things done again in Wisconsin). If Obama wants to get things done, he has gotta reach out and compromise, otherwise his 4 years are almost worthless and a waste of time.
Yes, laugh at this post all you want guys, haha. I really don't care.
On a side note, Wisconsin is purple, not blue. Also, I enjoy Halo 4
Last edited by War Man (2012-11-08 07:14:50)
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
This says it all. Politics at its best.War Man wrote:
Thumbs up for Chris Christy hugging Obama before the elections, dumbass. Kiss your chances of being President goodbye because we won't vote for you as Republican candidate for President with what you did.
Yep, keep laughing, I really don't care.-Whiteroom- wrote:
This says it all. Politics at its best.War Man wrote:
Thumbs up for Chris Christy hugging Obama before the elections, dumbass. Kiss your chances of being President goodbye because we won't vote for you as Republican candidate for President with what you did.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
You really don't get it at all do you. Not one bit. This attitude that you have is one of the biggest things wrong with American politics today.
Looks like the Democrats are getting a taste of their own medicine...8-12 years after the fact. Karma, I suppose.Spark wrote:
http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/11/the-end-of-liberty-in-america-only.html?m=1
I believe we call this "the unhinging".
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
People live in those districts...otherwise, the districts would be much, much smaller.Reciprocity wrote:
if only acreage had the right to vote.
the almighty wiki wrote:
As of the 2000 census:
Average population per district: 646,946 people
Area
District with the greatest area: Alaska At-large
District with the greatest area that comprises less than an entire state: Nevada's 2nd
District with the smallest area: New York's 15th[1]
Population
District with the most people: Montana At-large (905,316)
District with the fewest people: Wyoming At-large (495,304)
Based on the county-by-county outcome, Utah didn't anyway.13urnzz wrote:
if you merged the two, then utah wouldn't have democratic representation.FEOS wrote:
I've been wondering how the election would've gone if our electoral system was proportional, based on congressional district.
Geographic results (by county)
Congressional districts
Would be interesting to see a merging of these two, with the corresponding elector count. Only a handful of states would've been "all in" for either candidate.
makes sense, if you*re a republican in utah.
And I'm talking about changing up electoral vote distribution methodology, not how representatives are elected. It would have zero impact on any race but the presidency.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Spark wrote:
http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/11/the-end-of-liberty-in-america-only.html?m=1
I believe we call this "the unhinging".
The fact that he uses "friend" as an verb and "unfriend" as a threat means I would never have him on any of my lists to begin with.Starting early this morning, I am going to un-friend every single individual on Facebook who voted for Obama, or I even suspect may have Democrat leanings. I will do the same in person. All family and friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter contempt.
Oh no, not the unfriending!
Maybe I'll vote for more Republicans when they come to their senses and oust the Tea Party loonies.
lol.
So he intends to commit social suicide, lose all his business and live an outcast life?
So he intends to commit social suicide, lose all his business and live an outcast life?
"When I'm at the Wal-mart or grocery story I typically pay with my debit card. On the pad it comes up, "EBT, Debit, Credit, Cash." I make it a point to say loudly to the check-out clerk, "EBT, what is that for?" She inevitably says, "it's government assistance." I respond, "Oh, you mean welfare? Great. I work for a living. I'm paying for my food with my own hard-earned dollars. And other people get their food for free." And I look around with disgust, making sure others in line have heard me."Spark wrote:
http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/11/the-end-of-liberty-in-america-only.html?m=1
I believe we call this "the unhinging".
"If I meet a Democrat in my life from here on out, I will shun them immediately. I will spit on the ground in front of them, being careful not to spit in their general direction so that they can't charge me with some stupid little nuisance law. Then I'll tell them in no un-certain terms: "I do not associate with Democrats. You all are communist pigs, and I have nothing but utter disgust for you. Sir/Madam, you are scum of the earth." Then I'll turn and walk the other way."
ahahahahahahaha