| Islam | 19% | 19% - 20 | ||||
| Corruption | 7% | 7% - 8 | ||||
| Ethnic Hatred | 15% | 15% - 16 | ||||
| Wrong Borders | 5% | 5% - 6 | ||||
| A combination of factors (pls explain) | 51% | 51% - 53 | ||||
| Total: 103 | ||||||
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If this were the case Africans, Eskimos etc should be noticeably smarter than we western Europeans are.Dilbert_X wrote:
Of course there is. For humans to survive takes progressively more ingenuity the more hostile the environment is.there is NO SPECIFIC INTELLIGENCE ADVANTAGE for ANY SPECIFIC RACE in the FIRST PLACE
hmmm that's a pretty reductionist and slightly dangerous view of race, i'd say.Jay wrote:
I largely take race to equal culture. Superficial genetic mutations don't make the French different from the Germans, it's the fact that they speak different languages, eat different food, etc. I don't look at everyone in Africa as belonging to a single race of people, even though the majority of the people on the continent have dark brown skin. They have vastly different lifestyles amongst them.Pochsy wrote:
Aside from the issue that 'western poor people' can't be considered a homogeneous group at all (some do very much so value intelligence), proving you commit the sin of vast over generalization even in your half concessions, we seem to have confused race and culture somewhere along the way. Or at least, you have.Jay wrote:
Pochsy wrote:
Great, so then they remain part of the race, and thus generalizations about the intelligence of an entire race are worthless. Glad we agree for once.
Do explain how a culture is a race which can have natural selection applied to it (wrongly).
UmJay wrote:
I largely take race to equal culture.
They're still points of genetic difference, which can go as far as making them susceptible to different diseases, so hardly 'superficial'.Superficial genetic mutations don't make the French different from the Germans
lowing was nothing compared to this moron. holy shit.Jaekus wrote:
Reading dilbert in this thread reminds me of when lowing was told by everyone how wrong he is and yet stubbornly clung to his stance no matter what facts were presented.
Ahh, memories.
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Why, your arguments have all fallen flat.Superior Mind wrote:
Dilburp. You're really being an idiot now. You need to get a grip.
Superior Mind wrote:
Aside from pathologies we are all born with the same size brains, in the same proportions.
Put down the bong for a moment and spin a knife to choose which argument you're going to run with.Superior Mind wrote:
Brain size is relative to body size, dingus.
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lowing wrote:
3 words:
Islam
Islam
Islam
We're talking about when people are alive.Superior Mind wrote:
Maybe when you die you'll see how absolutely equal you are to every living being in the universe and you'll stop being such an idiot.
Spark wrote:
but your point about the superficial genetic mutations bit is why this whole debate is so colossally stupid. i feel like it's 2006 and i'm debating creationism again, it's that dumb.
So, you have nothing to counter with - at all - just insults?Spark wrote:
look can we just agree that dilbert knows roughly nothing about evolutionary biology and move on?
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Even Jay gets it, and he's not so smart.Jay wrote:
Frankly, I don't understand why it's so revolting to expect intelligence variation among different peoples. We expect certain cultures to unconsciously selectively breed themselves to better adapt to their conditions, yes? People who live in high elevations and cold environments tend to have shorter limbs, people who live in hot climates tend to have longer limbs. Why? Heat transfer is dependent on surface area and certain body types are better adapted to such environments. By the same token, each culture has it's own definition of beauty and those we define as beautiful are more sought after. Think of a gold digging trophy wife. Her primary asset is her looks, she marries rich, and as a consequence her kids will have a better shot in life because they have better access to education, health care etc. If a culture favored intelligence over physical beauty when selecting a mate I would expect largely the same consequence. Really, I don't get why this is such a vile thing to think.
That said, I can only really think of one culture that doesn't value intelligence, and that happens to be among our own Western poor people.
We've barely scratched the surface of a fraction of the human genome, its impossible to make assertions such as the above.every single reasonable study i've ever seen has either been totally non-commital or entirely against the idea of a strong genetic basis in variance in intelligence. the sheer amount of noise in the data far, far overwhelms any legitimate link.
and yes there is fuckall genetic variation across the human race. in fact, homo sapiens is marked out in the animal kingdom by having an unusually homogeneous gene pool (which has interesting implications for how the human race must have developed in the fairly recent past)
Dilbert_X wrote:
Because apparently its racist to say that.Adams_BJ wrote:
Some races are dumb. its just the way it is. Different races were separated for thousands of years. some would have bred to be more, uh, susceptible? to learning certain things that we deem 'smart'. not that they aren't capable of learning it, just not as good. I dont know why this is still an argument.
Assuming the 'out of Africa' theory is correct, then in the time its taken for brown to skin, frizzy hair and a susceptibility to sickle celll anaemia to evolve into, variously, white skin, blue eyes, eyelids adapted to the winds of the mongolian desert, intolerance to alcohol, strong sunlight, gluten intolerance, etc etc to say the brain has remained wholly static during that time in everyone everywhere is dumb.
me wrote:
There are many different facets to intelligence, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that certain groups of people are better at some of these facets than others and vice versa. It's impossible to determine whether this is a product of nature or nurture though. Not to mention the difficulty in creating universal tests for these facets nevermind the endless discussion about what the actual definition of intelligence is.
It doesn't really matter anyway. Let's say you could perceive a difference and say it were a product of nature, it would appear to be so small as to be negligble. You can't explain anything by it. We're all the same species, the process of evolution would need considerably more time to make a perceived difference anywhere near significant. If you wish to have an explanation for the vast difference in living/education standards etc, a much better method would be to look at geographic, cultural and historical factors. So, why is Africa a 'shithole'? If anything it's because the people in Africa were dealt a shit hand.
What absolute equality? Did I miss something? Are all people born with the same intelligence? The same height? The same weight? The ability to run fast, or dunk a basketball? We're not all equal SM, just like not everyone's opinion is correct. All men are not created equally.Superior Mind wrote:
That absolute equality does not shift whether you are alive or dead.
We have already presented pages of argument that have buried you. But you are too much of an idiot to realize you have already been defeated.
