Pochsy
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Macbeth wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

"On Sept. 7, 2011, you savagely beat your child to the edge of death," Mitchell said. "For this you must be punished."

The beating left Jocelyn Cedillo in a coma for a couple of days.

Escalona's other children told authorities their mother attacked Jocelyn due to potty training problems. Police say she kicked her daughter in the stomach, beat her with a milk jug, then stuck her hands to an apartment wall with an adhesive commonly known as Super Glue.


Deserves every single day she was sentenced to.
Fuck you and everyone else who thinks that is fair sentence. 99 years is excessive as hell.

She would have gotten less time if she had raped the kid or murdered her. This sentence helps no one but boy does it satisfy people's urge for vengeance.


The welfare of the victim should be taken into consideration when sentencing right? Which is better for the child than? Having her mother in prison forever or preventing the mother from seeing the child until she is 18 while the mother has to pay child support?
Not only that, but the purpose of a justice system is also to rehabilitate when possible. It seems to be an anger issue, not a psychopathic desire to torture children. Even if it were, sentencing someone to rot for their lifetime is still not justified. As Mac has said, had she murdered the child there would be less consequence.
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Hurricane2k9
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lol @ US justice system rehabilitating people. if you go to prison you're pretty much fucked even after you get out.
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Pochsy
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

lol @ US justice system rehabilitating people. if you go to prison you're pretty much fucked even after you get out.
Maybe the US justice system is properly fucked, but everywhere else it's meant to produce some kind of genuine atonement to mitigate the chances of recidivism.  Otherwise, why don't we just execute anyone who steals a loaf of bread?

Edit- rehabilitation is only one goal being realized concurrently through the temporary imprisonment of a criminal. If you can't stop them from doing it again, all of the other goals are still met simply by executing them- that is, retribution, deterrence, restitution, segregation are all met.

Last edited by Pochsy (2012-10-13 11:01:15)

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Macbeth
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The prosecution projected the words "LIAR" and "MONSTER" on a screen above Escalona's head during cross-examination
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=17436643&sid=81
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https://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USATODAY/GenericImages/2012/10/12/ap-toddler-glued-to-wall_001-x-large.jpg

How the is that legal? Fuck Texas. Worthless state.

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Spearhead
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Pochsy wrote:

Otherwise, why don't we just execute anyone who steals a loaf of bread?
Sadly this seems to be the opinion of a too many people in this country, most of them being conservatives.  Not the reasonable ones like Kmarion.  Lowing comes to mind. 

You essentially become a 2nd class citizen for life in the US criminal justice system.  Unless you've got wealthy parents. 

also, this seems relevant

Macbeth
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According to Vallone, there is nothing stopping the man who threw his dog out of the window from purchasing a new puppy after he serves his sentence of 364 days in jail. The man was also prohibited from owning a pet for three years, but with no registry, there is no way for a shelter to know that.
A year in jail for killing his dog.
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You think thats to harsh?
Macbeth
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A year in prison is a life ruining experience.
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Pineapplewhat
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Killing something is a life ending experience.
Macbeth
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A dog isn't a human. People in Asia eat them. This is as insane as India arresting people for killing cows.
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Pineapplewhat
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So what if a dog isn't human, he didn't get 25 to life or the chair for it... And since when do we base legal decisions on what people in asia eat.

Shit, somebody is practicing cannibalism somewhere, killing people should be fine.
Macbeth
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Should his life be ruined for throwing a cow out of a window? Oh no. We eat those. A dog on the other hand.. Yeah fuck him for life.


This man will always have the stigma of a jail sentence over his head. Lower employment potential. Lower community acceptance. Lower income. etc. But it is okay because people are bitter enough to value dogs over the lives of human beings.
FEOS
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The dude wasn't in Asia or India. Do you want to apply either of those justice systems to the US?

People don't get caned for spitting on the sidewalk in the US, but do in some Asian countries...so it should be totally OK here.

Laws and penalties for breaking them are reflections of a society's aggregate ethos. That means it will vary from society to society. Doesn't make one wrong and the other right, except in the eyes of the individual.

Based on our society's collective view (not yours, obviously), a dog's life (or any other domesticated animal) is worth time in the pokey. In part because they're not considered a food source here. The penalty wouldn't exist if a large number of people hadn't wanted it to happen.
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Macbeth wrote:

According to Vallone, there is nothing stopping the man who threw his dog out of the window from purchasing a new puppy after he serves his sentence of 364 days in jail. The man was also prohibited from owning a pet for three years, but with no registry, there is no way for a shelter to know that.
A year in jail for killing his dog.
Thats the law, if you don't like the punishment don't break the law, or emigrate.
A dog isn't a human. People in Asia eat them. This is as insane as India arresting people for killing cows.
There is no speed limit on the German autobahn. Does that mean you should be allowed to go as fast as you want when the democratically enacted law says there is a speed limit you're supposed to abide by?
Fuck Israel
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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Macbeth wrote:

Should his life be ruined for throwing a cow out of a window? Oh no. We eat those. A dog on the other hand.. Yeah fuck him for life.


This man will always have the stigma of a jail sentence over his head. Lower employment potential. Lower community acceptance. Lower income. etc. But it is okay because people are bitter enough to value dogs over the lives of human beings.
And apparently we also value possessions over the lives of human beings...to use your logic.

We obviously don't, yet we still put people away for a long time for theft.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
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I believe the standards for slaughter of cattle don't include pushing them out the window. Has nothing to do with valuing a dogs life over a humans dumb ass. Hence the reason he didn't get life or capital. What, if it isn't a human life, it holds no value? That's fucked.

Edit: FEOS put it nicely.

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Macbeth
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Cool story FEOS. My point isn't about legal systems. It is about the arbitrariness of defining which animals are worth putting people in prison for.
Dilbert_X
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Nope, you can have any animal killed provoding its done within the law - by a vet or a slaughterman.

Pushing an animal out of the window to die from the fall is not within the law, so he went to prison.
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Macbeth
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FEOS wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Should his life be ruined for throwing a cow out of a window? Oh no. We eat those. A dog on the other hand.. Yeah fuck him for life.


This man will always have the stigma of a jail sentence over his head. Lower employment potential. Lower community acceptance. Lower income. etc. But it is okay because people are bitter enough to value dogs over the lives of human beings.
And apparently we also value possessions over the lives of human beings...to use your logic.

We obviously don't, yet we still put people away for a long time for theft.
Taking someones property off of them is illegal and wrong. That is a violation of a human being's rights.

Destroying your own property like a dog isn't wrong. It is your property. You aren't violating another human's rights.
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Macbeth wrote:

Cool story FEOS. My point isn't about legal systems. It is about the arbitrariness of defining which animals are worth putting people in prison for.
Cruelty to animals extends past family pets. They are usually the ones that you hear about though, cause it sells in the media.
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Pineapplewhat
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Macbeth wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Should his life be ruined for throwing a cow out of a window? Oh no. We eat those. A dog on the other hand.. Yeah fuck him for life.


This man will always have the stigma of a jail sentence over his head. Lower employment potential. Lower community acceptance. Lower income. etc. But it is okay because people are bitter enough to value dogs over the lives of human beings.
And apparently we also value possessions over the lives of human beings...to use your logic.

We obviously don't, yet we still put people away for a long time for theft.
Taking someones property off of them is illegal and wrong. That is a violation of a human being's rights.

Destroying your own property like a dog isn't wrong. It is your property. You aren't violating another human's rights.
lol
Macbeth
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You are just bitter.
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Pineapplewhat
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No, I'm quite happy. Humans are fucked up, realizing that doesn't make me bitter. I'm not down because there are a lot of worthless people out there. There are good ones around too, I surround myself with them. Also, my dogs have far more personality than most of the zombies I meet.
Mutantbear
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the "pets are possessions" debate is the best way to blow bf2s up
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Macbeth
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Mutantbear wrote:

the "pets are possessions" debate is the best way to blow bf2s up
Woman gets 99 years in prison for a 5 year crime. -> meh
Someone kills a dog -> end of the fucking world

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