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At a time when states are struggling to reduce bloated prison populations and tight budgets, a private prison management company is offering to buy prisons in exchange for various considerations, including a controversial guarantee that the governments maintain a 90% occupancy rate for at least 20 years.

The $250 million proposal, circulated by the Nashville-based Corrections Corporation of America to prison officials in 48 states, has been blasted by some state officials who suggest such a program could pressure criminal justice officials to seek harsher sentences to maintain the contractually required occupancy rates.

"You don't want a prison system operating with the goal of maximizing profits," says Texas state Sen. John Whitmire, a Houston Democrat and advocate for reducing prison populations through less costly diversion programs. "The only thing worse is that this seeks to take advantage of some states' troubled financial position."
The U.S. currently has 25% of the world's prison population while having only 5% of the world's population. Our incarnation rates are far ahead of those of other industrialized nations.
https://media.reason.com/mc/jtaylor/prisons1.jpg?h=407&w=598
But this isn't because the U.S. has more crime than other industrialized nations. On a per capita basis the U.K. and France both have more crime per capita.
The crime rate in United Kingdom is high compared to other industrialized countries. An analysis was done using INTERPOL data for United Kingdom. For purpose of comparison, data were drawn for the seven offenses used to compute the United States FBI's index of crime. Index offenses include murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny, and motor vehicle theft. The combined total of these offenses constitutes the Index used for trend calculation purposes. United Kingdom will be compared with Japan (country with a low crime rate) and USA (country with a high crime rate). According to the INTERPOL data, for murder, the rate in 2001 was 1.63 per 100,000 population for United Kingdom 1.10 for Japan, and 5.61 for USA. For rape, the rate in 2001 was 16.50 for United Kingdom, compared with 1.78 for Japan and 31.77 for USA. For robbery, the rate in 2001 was 182.69 for United Kingdom, 4.08 for Japan, and 148.50 for USA. For aggravated assault, the rate in 2001 was 30.07 for United Kingdom, 23.78 for Japan, and 318.55 for USA. For burglary, the rate in 2001 was 1,605.14 for United Kingdom, 233.60 for Japan, and 740.80 for USA. The rate of larceny for 2001 was 3,468.55 for United Kingdom, 1401.26 for Japan, and 2484.64 for USA. The rate for motor vehicle theft in 2001 was 650.47 for United Kingdom, compared with 44.28 for Japan and 430.64 for USA. The rate for all index offenses combined was 5955.05 for United Kingdom, compared with 1709.88 for Japan and 4160.51 for USA. (Note that Japan data are for year 2000)
The crime rate in France is high compared to other industrialized countries. An analysis was done using INTERPOL data for France. For purpose of comparison, data were drawn for the seven offenses used to compute the United States FBI’s index of crime. Index offenses include murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny, and motor vehicle theft. The combined total of these offenses constitutes the Index used for trend calculation purposes. France will be compared with Japan (country with a low crime rate) and USA (country with a high crime rate). According to the INTERPOL data, for murder, the rate in 2002 was 4.07 per 100,000 population for France, 1.10 for Japan, and 5.51 for USA. For rape, the rate in 2002 was 17.63 for France, compared with 1.78 for Japan and 32.05 for USA. For robbery, the rate in 2002 was 224.35 for France, 4.08 for Japan, and 144.92 for USA. For aggravated assault, the rate in 2002 was 211.26 for France, 23.78 for Japan, and 323.62 for USA. For burglary, the rate in 2002 was 726.98 for France, 233.60 for Japan, and 728.42 for USA. The rate of larceny for 2002 was 2768.39 France, 1401.26 for Japan, and 2475.27 for USA. The rate for all index offenses combined was 4434.51 for France, compared with 1709.88 for Japan and 4123.97 for USA.
This is all according to a report done by Interpol in 2001
http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/rwinslow/index.html

If the U.K. and France have higher crime and conviction rates why does the U.S. have so many more people than them in prison? It is because our sentences are too long. For instance
Consider their impact on one downstate woman, age 23, who was sentenced in 2001 to 21 years and 10 months in prison for selling less than a half ounce of crack cocaine. After giving her the shortest sentence the law allowed
In January 2012, Eric Hamilton, 44, was sentenced to life without parole in Louisiana for possession of more
than 400 grams of cocaine, typically punishable by 15 to 30 years. However, because he had been convicted in
1994 and 2002 of other drug offenses, he is now sentenced to die in prison.
Since it seems the that the government is feeding people to the U.S. prison complex, is there anyone here that seriously believes it is a good thing to further privatize our prisons? Furthermore, since privatizing our prison system has damned millions of people to a life of shame and poverty why should we expect privatization of other government services to improve our lives? How can we as a society not be bothered by this?
Spearhead
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Police might as well be employed by the prisons themselves.  Free market.
Macbeth
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That is one aesthetically pleasing OP.
KEN-JENNINGS
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This is already in place in California.  Private prison industry working with the California Correctional Peace Officers Association (CCPOA) got some sort of legislation passed in California basically guaranteeing that - a bare minimum occupancy.  It is supremely fucked up.  It's not just that our sentences are too long.  The CCPOA also tried to get legislation passed that would guarantee a fixed percentage of the budget would go to the prison industry - much like defense lobbyists trying to do the same with the national defense budget.

Any OP with yellow highlights instead of bolding/coloring the important parts will not be considered aesthetically pleasing.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6899|Tampa Bay Florida
I don't see any way to reverse this trend.  It should be unconstitutional...
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Its always been a business in the US, its why the legal system goes for easy volume in prosecuting low level offences harshly, low level drug offences etc, and lets the big fish buy their way out of trouble - through expensive lawyers or fines.

Why should Bernie Madoff be living comfortably in Club Fed while a low level crook who hasn't really done a lot of harm to anyone get sent to Fort Buttrape with the gang-bangers?

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2012-09-13 03:49:44)

Fuck Israel
this article http://www.npr.org/2012/06/05/154352977 … on-capital
lousiana, if you go to prison there you likely will turn into a Potato. There is a lack of thought and funding for activities/education/exercise to prisoners in the lil sheriff run cages.
Superior Mind
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This is why we're in a recession. We have millions of workers being wasted in cells.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6899|Tampa Bay Florida
The criminal justice system particularly in the deep south has historically been among the most backward and abusive systems in world history.  Not all that surprising when you consider their legacy pertaining to human rights.

I've mentioned this before on here but it needs repeating.  "The New Jim Crow" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Jim_Crow  It's not all that hard to connect the dots.

Last edited by Spearhead (2012-09-13 12:24:18)

Wreckognize
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Spearhead wrote:

I've mentioned this before on here but it needs repeating.  "The New Jim Crow" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Jim_Crow.  It's not all that hard to connect the dots.
I saw her in Philadelphia.  Fantastic speaker.  But yea, the War on Drugs is the root of the incarceration problem in this country.
Macbeth
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A woman convicted of beating a dog to death with a softball bat will spend 5 years in prison.

Evita Williams was sentenced Monday at the Seminole County courthouse.

Williams was convicted of animal cruelty and burglary after her in-laws said she broke into a locked bedroom, took a 14-year-old dog into the back yard, covered it with a blanket and beat it to death.
I like dogs and own one and all but no human being should spend 5 years in prison for killing a dog.
-Whiteroom-
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Williams was convicted of animal cruelty and burglary.
More than just killing a dog. But I wouldn't mind if she got it for that.
bugz
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The premier of Newfoundland's son just got paroled a year into his drunk driving sentence here in Canada. He killed his best friend with a truck and spent <2 years in prison.

That woman is getting 5 years for killing a dog.

What kind of screwed up system do we live in.
Jaekus
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This thread makes me think of this song:

DrunkFace
Germans did 911
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Macbeth wrote:

A woman convicted of beating a dog to death with a softball bat will spend 5 years in prison.

Evita Williams was sentenced Monday at the Seminole County courthouse.

Williams was convicted of animal cruelty and burglary after her in-laws said she broke into a locked bedroom, took a 14-year-old dog into the back yard, covered it with a blanket and beat it to death.
I like dogs and own one and all but no human being should spend 5 years in prison for killing a dog.
Yes they should.
13urnzz
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thanks, usmarine.
Macbeth
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DrunkFace wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

A woman convicted of beating a dog to death with a softball bat will spend 5 years in prison.

Evita Williams was sentenced Monday at the Seminole County courthouse.

Williams was convicted of animal cruelty and burglary after her in-laws said she broke into a locked bedroom, took a 14-year-old dog into the back yard, covered it with a blanket and beat it to death.
I like dogs and own one and all but no human being should spend 5 years in prison for killing a dog.
Yes they should.
No they shouldn't.
Hurricane2k9
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serial killers like killing animals
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CC-Marley
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Macbeth wrote:

A woman convicted of beating a dog to death with a softball bat will spend 5 years in prison.

Evita Williams was sentenced Monday at the Seminole County courthouse.

Williams was convicted of animal cruelty and burglary after her in-laws said she broke into a locked bedroom, took a 14-year-old dog into the back yard, covered it with a blanket and beat it to death.
I like dogs and own one and all but no human being should spend 5 years in prison for killing a dog.
Killing a dog like that deserves death in my opinion. No need for people like that to walk this Earth.
ROGUEDD
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Macbeth wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

Macbeth wrote:


I like dogs and own one and all but no human being should spend 5 years in prison for killing a dog.
Yes they should.
No they shouldn't.
Shut up macbeth. Go kill some kittens.
Make X-meds a full member, for the sake of 15 year old anal gangbang porn watchers everywhere!
Mutantbear
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im starting to remember that animal killing thread

oh boy
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unnamednewbie13
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Only 25%? We'd better start arresting more internet pirates if we want to bring it to 50%.
west-phoenix-az
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

It is supremely fucked up.
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BVC
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It'll only benefit the operators' shareholders.  There is only so much money to throw at a prison or any other service - if shareholders get a cut, that cut has to come from somewhere.
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AussieReaper wrote:

"On Sept. 7, 2011, you savagely beat your child to the edge of death," Mitchell said. "For this you must be punished."

The beating left Jocelyn Cedillo in a coma for a couple of days.

Escalona's other children told authorities their mother attacked Jocelyn due to potty training problems. Police say she kicked her daughter in the stomach, beat her with a milk jug, then stuck her hands to an apartment wall with an adhesive commonly known as Super Glue.


Deserves every single day she was sentenced to.
Fuck you and everyone else who thinks that is fair sentence. 99 years is excessive as hell.

She would have gotten less time if she had raped the kid or murdered her. This sentence helps no one but boy does it satisfy people's urge for vengeance.


The welfare of the victim should be taken into consideration when sentencing right? Which is better for the child than? Having her mother in prison forever or preventing the mother from seeing the child until she is 18 while the mother has to pay child support?

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