mormons and bible belt dont mix
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QFTMutantbear wrote:
mormons and bible belt dont mix
I'm not saying they are Baptists or anything, but they are known for being socially conservative due to religious views.13urnzz wrote:
yes, mormons are noted for being stout members of the southern bible belt brand of christianityJay wrote:
Was your state not founded for a religion? Does that religion not still dominate today? When the rest of the country hears the word Utah they think two things 1) Mormons and 2) Snowboarding.Jay wrote:
Please stop posting about stuff you don't know anything about. Thanks.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
mormons were apolitical until the government threatened to withdraw their tax exempt status for being racists, which prompted a "revelation from Heaven" in 1979 to allow colored people to participate in their lay ministry. their philosophy actually embraces more ideals that today's democrats espouse (the church has it's own welfare system) and the last few presidents of the church have pushed, in a big way, to mainstream.Jay wrote:
I'm not saying they are Baptists or anything, but they are known for being socially conservative due to religious views.
so they chose to finance prop 8 in california. mormons, until recently, were fiscally conservative and socially libertarian, with a rich tradition of polygamy and swindling their neighbors.
how does that fit in with the holy roller right wing tradition of the redneck south?
2 mormons came to where I live/work about a year ago and tried converting people. Didn't go well, I don't know why they ever thought coming to the working class, daily mail readers of the North would ever yield positive results for them. Saw them twice over about 2 months then I guess they left.
1 was Black btw.
1 was Black btw.
How do they feel about the following things?13urnzz wrote:
mormons were apolitical until the government threatened to withdraw their tax exempt status for being racists, which prompted a "revelation from Heaven" in 1979 to allow colored people to participate in their lay ministry. their philosophy actually embraces more ideals that today's democrats espouse (the church has it's own welfare system) and the last few presidents of the church have pushed, in a big way, to mainstream.Jay wrote:
I'm not saying they are Baptists or anything, but they are known for being socially conservative due to religious views.
so they chose to finance prop 8 in california. mormons, until recently, were fiscally conservative and socially libertarian, with a rich tradition of polygamy and swindling their neighbors.
how does that fit in with the holy roller right wing tradition of the redneck south?
Drugs
Alcohol
tobacco
premarital sex
gay rights
Birth control
Abortion
Keeping a sabbath
Interfaith marriage
Inter-racial marriage
Should I keep going? There's nothing socially libertarian about any of that.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Drugs = this state abuses prescription drugs at higher rates than average, they preach against the abuse of street drugsJay wrote:
How do they feel about the following things?
Drugs
Alcohol
tobacco
premarital sex
gay rights
Birth control
Abortion
Keeping a sabbath
Interfaith marriage
Inter-racial marriage
Should I keep going? There's nothing socially libertarian about any of that.
Alcohol = they're against
tobacco = they're against
premarital sex = they're against
gay rights = they're against
Birth control = no stated position
Abortion = no stated position
Keeping a sabbath = they're for
Interfaith marriage = no stated position
Inter-racial marriage = no stated position
i am not a mormon spokesman, and do not belong to the church. i do have family members that are, but i love them anyways.
what i find amusing is your characterization of utah belonging to the bible belt, you may as well include the amish of ohio and pennsylvania, the jehovah's witnesses of california, and the greek orthodox of idaho into your collection of "bible belt belonging states" if you attempt to link utah to the redneck south.
Damn those Orange County redneck Armenian Christians...13urnzz wrote:
Drugs = this state abuses prescription drugs at higher rates than average, they preach against the abuse of street drugsJay wrote:
How do they feel about the following things?
Drugs
Alcohol
tobacco
premarital sex
gay rights
Birth control
Abortion
Keeping a sabbath
Interfaith marriage
Inter-racial marriage
Should I keep going? There's nothing socially libertarian about any of that.
Alcohol = they're against
tobacco = they're against
premarital sex = they're against
gay rights = they're against
Birth control = no stated position
Abortion = no stated position
Keeping a sabbath = they're for
Interfaith marriage = no stated position
Inter-racial marriage = no stated position
i am not a mormon spokesman, and do not belong to the church. i do have family members that are, but i love them anyways.
what i find amusing is your characterization of utah belonging to the bible belt, you may as well include the amish of ohio and pennsylvania, the jehovah's witnesses of california, and the greek orthodox of idaho into your collection of "bible belt belonging states" if you attempt to link utah to the redneck south.
The differences are small. Religion dominates politics.13urnzz wrote:
Drugs = this state abuses prescription drugs at higher rates than average, they preach against the abuse of street drugsJay wrote:
How do they feel about the following things?
Drugs
Alcohol
tobacco
premarital sex
gay rights
Birth control
Abortion
Keeping a sabbath
Interfaith marriage
Inter-racial marriage
Should I keep going? There's nothing socially libertarian about any of that.
Alcohol = they're against
tobacco = they're against
premarital sex = they're against
gay rights = they're against
Birth control = no stated position
Abortion = no stated position
Keeping a sabbath = they're for
Interfaith marriage = no stated position
Inter-racial marriage = no stated position
i am not a mormon spokesman, and do not belong to the church. i do have family members that are, but i love them anyways.
what i find amusing is your characterization of utah belonging to the bible belt, you may as well include the amish of ohio and pennsylvania, the jehovah's witnesses of california, and the greek orthodox of idaho into your collection of "bible belt belonging states" if you attempt to link utah to the redneck south.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
but Utah, by everyone's agreement but yours, is not in the bible belt, which was his original contention. You muddied it up by trying to bring political positions to argue against.
I never meant that it was a physical extension of the bible belt, just cultural.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
but Utah, by everyone's agreement but yours, is not in the bible belt, which was his original contention. You muddied it up by trying to bring political positions to argue against.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
ok, to redirect
will you be defining exactly where is "outside the bible belt" or would you care to address my original point?Jay wrote:
Tea Party is still about fiscal conservatism outside of the bible belt13urnzz wrote:
exactly. the whole tea-party thing started with fiscal conservatism, got hijacked by republicants, and the social conservative wing took over led by the religious nut jobs the right invited in.Jaekus wrote:
It's not like he's the sole GOP rep who holds these sorts of views, far from it.
R I P fiscal conservatives
13urnzz wrote:
ok, to redirectwill you be defining exactly where is "outside the bible belt" or would you care to address my original point?Jay wrote:
Tea Party is still about fiscal conservatism outside of the bible belt13urnzz wrote:
exactly. the whole tea-party thing started with fiscal conservatism, got hijacked by republicants, and the social conservative wing took over led by the religious nut jobs the right invited in.
R I P fiscal conservatives
Blue states.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
thats the bible belt
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Mutant nailed it. gg mutantbear!
Jesus Fucking Christ. Fine, whatever, you win. Your state is not full of socially conservative religious nutjob rednecks. It has absolutely nothing in common with the socially conservative religious nutjob rednecks in Tennessee and Arkansas and South Carolina. Nothing.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
you shouldn't take the Lord's name in vain, you goddamned libertarian
What's wrong with Libertarians?
They care too much about freedom and not enough about how others think they should use their time and money._j5689_ wrote:
What's wrong with Libertarians?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
jay are you preaching again
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its often also used as a disguise for racists. "Businesses should be able to turn away black people if they want to. It's a FREE country." Libertarians are essentially synonymous with anarchists ideologically.
it's a political philosophy that is all theoria, no praxis; it's impossible to implement without coming across as a tea-party, ayn rand-lite nutjob, or else like a completely radical 'overhaul the system' type. the best pragmatic implementation for libertarian philosophy into straight political doctrine is probably a proposed form of anarcho-syndicalism. which, sure, go ahead, be my guest. what time will the revolution be televised?_j5689_ wrote:
What's wrong with Libertarians?
libertarianism, like all noble political philosophies, has in america been hijacked by both sides of the political spectrum, to both disguise racism/bigotry and lend free-market exploitation a noble veneer, and also to tease idealists and utopians. neither side have made any real use of it. neither ayn rand nor noam chomsky are really people you'd want to put your vote behind.
and here is your pseudo-intellectual libertarian par excellence. jay, the guy who came under the influence of that most predictable and widely-circulated campus titillator: ayn rand's novels. jay is your typical 'intelligent', 'politically conscientious' libertarian: a guy who went to college, did what every college student does (which is become hopelessly intoxicated with either rand or marx-- you choose!), and then came out thinking he was an 'independent' thinker. the knotty material practicality of the situation: jay could only afford to go to college and spare the time to read such high-falutin' stuff because of other people's money, federal hand-outs, and benefits. jay relied on state control and taxation to fund his education which essentially taught him to follow the 'trendy' philosophical fad on all american campuses through the 80's and 90's: to swallow rand's thought. so there you have it. that's what is wrong with libertarianism. benefit-scrounging kids reading it and then espousing a 'don't tell me what to do with MY freedom and MY money!' type rhetoric.jay wrote:
They care too much about freedom and not enough about how others think they should use their time and money.
intellectually lobotomized.
Last edited by aynrandroolz (2012-10-03 14:40:02)
Wtf with the racism? Holy fuck it has nothing to do with racism, that's just the progressive argument to marginalize the philosophy.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Lol@uzi. What a useless twat he is and always will be.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat