not a banner day for his campaign, after the fallout over Politico's pieceMacbeth wrote:
Seriously dude what the fuck?
Has Romney actually told anyone what it is exactly that he's going to do to fix...anything? Everything I've seen seems to have him say, 'this is what we're going to do', and that's about it. There's never anything in depth. In fact, all I've seen him show is that he is highly adept at putting his foot in it.
He's going to freedom everything.
Fuck Israel
freedom freedom freedom oy!
freedom freedom freedom oy!
freedom freedom freedom oy!
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Rmoney has a plan to be 'more specific'. http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la … 3328.storyM.O.A.B wrote:
Has Romney actually told anyone what it is exactly that he's going to do to fix...anything? Everything I've seen seems to have him say, 'this is what we're going to do', and that's about it. There's never anything in depth. In fact, all I've seen him show is that he is highly adept at putting his foot in it.
but when asked,
But he offered no new details on how he would accomplish these goals.
Whoever brainwashes this garbage into the heads of people like this is doing an incredible job.Rmoney wrote:
"The Palestinians have no interest whatsoever in establishing peace," he says, adding that "the pathway to peace is almost unthinkable to accomplish".
Fuck Israel
search result for "Rmoney"Cybargs wrote:
lol Rmoney
Just like how the Bush administration fucked up the peace process' with Muslim separatism in Philippines, Thailand and Indonesia because hurr durr muslim insurgents = global jihad when it's more of a territorial and ethnic issue. Good job there.Dilbert_X wrote:
Whoever brainwashes this garbage into the heads of people like this is doing an incredible job.Rmoney wrote:
"The Palestinians have no interest whatsoever in establishing peace," he says, adding that "the pathway to peace is almost unthinkable to accomplish".
So Burnzz, you said you voted for Reagan. How many other ex-Republicans are there who feel the same? Is this a real threat to the GOP or is this just the "liberal media" running the show?
What Romney said can be found in pretty much any op-ed in the WSJ. This is liberal bloggers trying to score points.
Hell, even CBS carried the story two years ago.
Tax credits, tax loopholes, the lack of cost of living adjustments for tax brackets... it all adds up.
Hell, even CBS carried the story two years ago.
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-6372418.htmlTax Day is a dreaded deadline for millions, but for nearly half of U.S. households it's simply somebody else's problem.
About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009. Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability. That's according to projections by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research organization.
Most people still are required to file returns by the April 15 deadline. The penalty for skipping it is limited to the amount of taxes owed, but it's still almost always better to file: That's the only way to get a refund of all the income taxes withheld by employers.
In recent years, credits for low- and middle-income families have grown so much that a family of four making as much as $50,000 will owe no federal income tax for 2009, as long as there are two children younger than 17, according to a separate analysis by the consulting firm Deloitte Tax.
Tax credits, tax loopholes, the lack of cost of living adjustments for tax brackets... it all adds up.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
The vote of the century!
1. Give Obama a second term to be blocked out by a the republican majority.
2. Elect a new president that believes 1/4 of the US population are freeloaders, belives religion can be read out of a hat and that believes 2% of the population isn't rich enough.
Good God what a political wreckage of a system you guys have created and perfected since Reagan ...
1. Give Obama a second term to be blocked out by a the republican majority.
2. Elect a new president that believes 1/4 of the US population are freeloaders, belives religion can be read out of a hat and that believes 2% of the population isn't rich enough.
Good God what a political wreckage of a system you guys have created and perfected since Reagan ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
I don't think it's the quoting of the 47% figure that's the problem here.Jay wrote:
What Romney said can be found in pretty much any op-ed in the WSJ. This is liberal bloggers trying to score points.
Hell, even CBS carried the story two years ago.http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-6372418.htmlTax Day is a dreaded deadline for millions, but for nearly half of U.S. households it's simply somebody else's problem.
About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009. Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability. That's according to projections by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research organization.
Most people still are required to file returns by the April 15 deadline. The penalty for skipping it is limited to the amount of taxes owed, but it's still almost always better to file: That's the only way to get a refund of all the income taxes withheld by employers.
In recent years, credits for low- and middle-income families have grown so much that a family of four making as much as $50,000 will owe no federal income tax for 2009, as long as there are two children younger than 17, according to a separate analysis by the consulting firm Deloitte Tax.
Tax credits, tax loopholes, the lack of cost of living adjustments for tax brackets... it all adds up.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
The argument itself reeks of partisanship imo. Completely ignores payroll taxes. You can't suck blood out of a rock. (let's lower taxes, but complain when people don't pay any)Jay wrote:
What Romney said can be found in pretty much any op-ed in the WSJ. This is liberal bloggers trying to score points.
Hell, even CBS carried the story two years ago.http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-6372418.htmlTax Day is a dreaded deadline for millions, but for nearly half of U.S. households it's simply somebody else's problem.
About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009. Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability. That's according to projections by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research organization.
Most people still are required to file returns by the April 15 deadline. The penalty for skipping it is limited to the amount of taxes owed, but it's still almost always better to file: That's the only way to get a refund of all the income taxes withheld by employers.
In recent years, credits for low- and middle-income families have grown so much that a family of four making as much as $50,000 will owe no federal income tax for 2009, as long as there are two children younger than 17, according to a separate analysis by the consulting firm Deloitte Tax.
Tax credits, tax loopholes, the lack of cost of living adjustments for tax brackets... it all adds up.
Right, it's a stupid argument to make, but it's extremely common among upper-middle-class and wealthy people. They feel like they're doing all the work and everyone else is benefitting from their labor without paying into the system. Honestly, you can't even blame them for feeling that way because they do indeed carry the government.Spearhead wrote:
The argument itself reeks of partisanship imo. Completely ignores payroll taxes. You can't suck blood out of a rock. (let's lower taxes, but complain when people don't pay any)Jay wrote:
What Romney said can be found in pretty much any op-ed in the WSJ. This is liberal bloggers trying to score points.
Hell, even CBS carried the story two years ago.http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-6372418.htmlTax Day is a dreaded deadline for millions, but for nearly half of U.S. households it's simply somebody else's problem.
About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009. Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability. That's according to projections by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research organization.
Most people still are required to file returns by the April 15 deadline. The penalty for skipping it is limited to the amount of taxes owed, but it's still almost always better to file: That's the only way to get a refund of all the income taxes withheld by employers.
In recent years, credits for low- and middle-income families have grown so much that a family of four making as much as $50,000 will owe no federal income tax for 2009, as long as there are two children younger than 17, according to a separate analysis by the consulting firm Deloitte Tax.
Tax credits, tax loopholes, the lack of cost of living adjustments for tax brackets... it all adds up.
The biggest problems with the current tax system are the coercive forces used to get people to do what the government thinks is best for the country: tax credits for having kids, tax credits for having a mortgage etc. The former is rather rational, as you need replacement level population growth in order to carry all these silly pension systems, let alone Medicare and Social Security (yet another argument to abolish them all). The latter is a handout to the banking and real estate systems. Yes, you can argue that it boosts GDP, but that is a one time boost and people would likely spend the money anyway. What it does instead is entice people to take on personal debt and pay interest to a bank and closing fees to realtors.
I really dislike negative tax rates. I think it creates a situation where people don't have any stake in what the government spends and will vote for whoever promises them the most crap without asking them to pay for it. It also has the effect of removing protest to all of the absurd deficit spending our government does. When people feel that it's their money being spent wantonly, they get upset. Even a nominal tax pulled from those at the bottom (like $50/year or whatever) would force the government to be more responsible and engage more people in the political process.
Lastly, the tax code is fucked as long as it doesn't take into account cost of living when assessing tax rates. That's a different topic though.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I agree completely, erasing close to 100 percent of the tax loopholes would probably be painful short term for some people but long term would reduce the deficit even more than raising taxes would. The home mortgage interest deduction is something I've researched a lot recently, and surprisingly both left and right wing think tanks hate its guts. To the right it's a interfering with the free market, to the left it's a giant payout to the real estate industry. The benefits also increase the wealthier you get. God help the first politician who proposes getting rid of it though.
Let alone the effect it had on the housing bubble.
Let alone the effect it had on the housing bubble.
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We almost have the same issue with you guys here in Aus. Instead of tax deductions its welfare payments, which is 132 BILLION dollars for a pop of 21 mil... which is running around 5,000 PER HEAD, which is around 50% of the federal governments budget.
Reagan wasn't the only republican candidate i've voted for. fuck the liberal media, they are merely the beneficiaries of the colossal hijacking of the party.Spearhead wrote:
So Burnzz, you said you voted for Reagan. How many other ex-Republicans are there who feel the same? Is this a real threat to the GOP or is this just the "liberal media" running the show?
sadly, this isn't the republican party that once was. i feel the decline started when Carter rejected what would become 'the moral majority' or 'the religious right' and the Reagan campaign welcomed their support. the teabaggers are just the latest to climb on top when the right tried to co-opt them. the republican party has not been fiscally conservative or compassionately conservative, only socially conservative these many years now. today politics is only about pleasing the base and scoring cheap points, not about governing and protecting the interests of 300+ million people.Varegg wrote:
The vote of the century!
1. Give Obama a second term to be blocked out by a the republican majority.
2. Elect a new president that believes 1/4 of the US population are freeloaders, belives religion can be read out of a hat and that believes 2% of the population isn't rich enough.
Good God what a political wreckage of a system you guys have created and perfected since Reagan ...
the primaries need to go.
You can't argue that you're fiscally conservative when starting wars that weren't paid for, so your solution is tax cuts.
QFT13urnzz wrote:
today politics is only about pleasing the base and scoring cheap points, not about governing and protecting the interests of 300+ million people.
Amen to that ...RAIMIUS wrote:
QFT13urnzz wrote:
today politics is only about pleasing the base and scoring cheap points, not about governing and protecting the interests of 300+ million people.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
I'm fairly sure it's been like that for the past 200 years.RAIMIUS wrote:
QFT13urnzz wrote:
today politics is only about pleasing the base and scoring cheap points, not about governing and protecting the interests of 300+ million people.
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
It's definately much worse now that ever before, the kind of childish bickering the last years between dems and reps have no historical equal ... Obamas hands are tied behind hvis back by reps that can't allow a black president to suceed where Bush failed ... simple statement but not far off ...Jay wrote:
I'm fairly sure it's been like that for the past 200 years.RAIMIUS wrote:
QFT13urnzz wrote:
today politics is only about pleasing the base and scoring cheap points, not about governing and protecting the interests of 300+ million people.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
i didn't know you were familiar with the political bickering back and forth in the US for the last 200 years varegg. I'm not too familiar with it myself, perhaps you could enlighten me?
To your statement regarding Obama's hands being tied behind his back- well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
To your statement regarding Obama's hands being tied behind his back- well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
Really? We've had a Senator club another over the head with his cane on the Senate floor. Our second President forced his VP to cool his heels for four years because he was of a different political party.Varegg wrote:
It's definately much worse now that ever before, the kind of childish bickering the last years between dems and reps have no historical equal ... Obamas hands are tied behind hvis back by reps that can't allow a black president to suceed where Bush failed ... simple statement but not far off ...Jay wrote:
I'm fairly sure it's been like that for the past 200 years.RAIMIUS wrote:
QFT
You sound like one of those people always searching for the end of the world, convinced that it will happen during his own lifetime. What's been going on these last two years is nothing compared to the obstructionism of the past.
There's an old saying: "If Democrats and Republicans agree, you better check your wallet because you just got robbed."
edit - Oh, and blaming it on racism... lol.
Last edited by Jay (2012-09-18 15:34:30)
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat