Obama is probably the closest thing to an average citizen there will ever be. Are exceptions to the rule the standard now?
Is Paul Ryan an aristocrat?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Based on net worth, yes, he's in the upper 10 percent.
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Do you really believe the super rich don't control our government? I don't want to get all preachy here but I don't see how anyone could possibly think otherwise.
I'm not denying that people need to be independently wealthy to enter politics for the most part. I'm just saying that the people you define as rich are not some static group of inbreds like England. 2/3 of billionaires are self made men, not born into it.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Do you really believe the super rich don't control our government? I don't want to get all preachy here but I don't see how anyone could possibly think otherwise.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
You're the one that brought up aristocracy buddy.
nothings stopping the "average" citizen from entering into politics. shits not like rome where you get to become a senator based on what family you were born into.
The Iraq war was 9 years ago. Bush left office 4. Are people ever going to stop bitching about Iraq and the U.S. foreign policy? It is so tiresome talking to Europeans who are still wrapped up in that.
Exactly.Cybargs wrote:
nothings stopping the "average" citizen from entering into politics. shits not like rome where you get to become a senator based on what family you were born into.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Nothing stopping the average person from entering a race. Lack of money stops them from being elected, for the most part.Jay wrote:
Exactly.Cybargs wrote:
nothings stopping the "average" citizen from entering into politics. shits not like rome where you get to become a senator based on what family you were born into.
You guys can pretend there isn't a serious money barrier, but that's just you playing make believe.
last time I checked the US was still in Iraq and Afghanistan, plus taking action in Syria and Libya. Bush may be gone but Obama hasn't done much to change the status quo regarding foreign policy.Macbeth wrote:
The Iraq war was 9 years ago. Bush left office 4. Are people ever going to stop bitching about Iraq and the U.S. foreign policy? It is so tiresome talking to Europeans who are still wrapped up in that.
If your ideas are popular enough the money will find you. The biggest barrier to entry is simply being accepted by the party machine. Many years spent inside the machine before you're even considered.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Nothing stopping the average person from entering a race. Lack of money stops them from being elected, for the most part.Jay wrote:
Exactly.Cybargs wrote:
nothings stopping the "average" citizen from entering into politics. shits not like rome where you get to become a senator based on what family you were born into.
You guys can pretend there isn't a serious money barrier, but that's just you playing make believe.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
You mean if your ideas are what monied interests want, then the monied interests will donate money. The party machine has more influence federally, but even then it's concentrated to the top few positions (speaker, pres, VP).
Ron Paul had popular opinions (opinions the general public agreed with). Where was his money?
Ron Paul had popular opinions (opinions the general public agreed with). Where was his money?
He had plenty. He was just marginalized by the media. Telling people its a waste to vote for someone because they cant win is death to a campaign.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Media represents monied interests, agree or disagree?
Is this in order of importance?13rin wrote:
I love ya burnz, but no where in their doctrine is evolution v. religion mentioned.
http://www.teaparty.org/about.php
15 Non-negotiable Core Beliefs
1. Illegal aliens are here illegally.
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.
3. A strong military is essential.
4. Special interests must be eliminated.
5. Gun ownership is sacred.
6. Government must be downsized.
7. The national budget must be balanced.
8. Deficit spending must end.
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must.
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens.
13. Intrusive government must be stopped.
14. English as our core language is required.
15. Traditional family values are encouraged.
"1. Illegal aliens are here illegally"
Bunch of racist nut jobs.
I got a good chuckle out of "9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal." though.
And the laughs keep on coming:
http://www.teaparty.org/noteligible.php
" The Global Communists are preparing to make 'Obama the Fraud President' their world leader based upon a fraudulent interpretation of Article 2, Section1 of the United States Constitution. "
The true conservatives of the GOP now have to contend with this stupidity.
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AussieReaper wrote:
"1. Illegal aliens are here illegally"
Bunch of racist nut jobs.
Do you really have to restate illegal means illegal?west-phoenix-az wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
"1. Illegal aliens are here illegally"
Bunch of racist nut jobs.
I'm surprised they don't have anything anti-gay on their website either. Oh, wait. That's the "traditional family values" I'll bet.
I wonder how the business wing of the GOP feels about illegals.
16. Gay people are gay
_______________________________________________________________________________________________ 
Because they restated it means they're racist?AussieReaper wrote:
Do you really have to restate illegal means illegal?west-phoenix-az wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
"1. Illegal aliens are here illegally"
Bunch of racist nut jobs.
Nah and I'm sure the calls on their website to see Obama's birth certificate deemed fraudulent cause he is Kenyan isn't racist eitherwest-phoenix-az wrote:
Because they restated it means they're racist?AussieReaper wrote:
Do you really have to restate illegal means illegal?west-phoenix-az wrote:
Read their section on Obama and you get insane idiotic ramblings such as this one:
The Global Communists are preparing to make 'Obama the Fraud President' their world leader based upon a fraudulent interpretation of Article 2, Section1 of the United States Constitution.
im sure they are hypocritical about it as much as any other politician.Macbeth wrote:
I wonder how the business wing of the GOP feels about illegals.
Gays are bad - except when I'm touching little boys and engaging in clandestine sex romps with a rent boy
Down with illegals - except for the ones working in my factory
Down with kowtowing to lobbyists - did I mention my fundraiser next week? $10K a plate, RVSP today!
Down with bailouts and stimulus - but please give stimulus money to my constituents, companies and donors
This just in - Politicians say one thing and do another and don't really give a fuck about anything but money and power.
The more I think about that platform the more I want to hurl in my mouth. There are so many contradictions it's not even funny.
Gary Johnson 2012.
Gary Johnson 2012.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Hehe, Scott Walker got some real applause at the convention compared to most.
Plutocracy =/= AristocracyKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Do you really believe the super rich don't control our government? I don't want to get all preachy here but I don't see how anyone could possibly think otherwise.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.