Gun politics, firearms ownership, and US 2nd amendment discussion

2012-08-01 07:23:15

#501

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5567|London, England

Macbeth wrote:
Jay wrote:
In most parts of America it's nigh on impossible to live without a car. .
Maybe in rural areas. People living in suburbs just outside of a major city, not so much. I noticed in my state, the most urban and dense in the U.S., people who work in the big cities like Newark tend to drive long distances to their jobs. people think they are too good to live in urban areas so they blow thousands in gas just to get distance between them and 'poor city people'.

Would you live in Newark?

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-08-01 07:26:14

#502

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5795

In the nice parts of Newark, yes. I like living near NYC so I would prefer Jersey City or Hoboken.

2012-08-01 07:27:16

#503

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5567|London, England

You would commute via bus from your nice neighborhood to your job?

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-08-01 07:31:42

#504

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5567|London, England

Whatever, anyway, doesn't matter. Rich people moved into Brooklyn because they didn't want to drive cars to work and wanted the city lifestyle without Manhattan prices. Now the poor people they displaced have to drive to work instead of riding the subway. Either way, someone is driving to work. You can't say shit like 'if only people would give up their commutes, sacrifice the lifestyle they want and accept living in crowded areas, alas' because you're stripping people of their freedom when you do that. Only fuckhead retard greenies and trustfund hipsters make stupid comments like that.

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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-08-01 07:38:40

#505

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5795

Jay wrote:
You would commute via bus from your nice neighborhood to your job?

Yes. Wouldn't kill me.

2012-08-01 07:40:54

#506

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5567|London, England

Macbeth wrote:
Jay wrote:
You would commute via bus from your nice neighborhood to your job?
Yes. Wouldn't kill me.

Ok.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-08-01 07:55:17

#507

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5795

The government spends money developing these unsustainable suburbs. They should instead spend money developing less resource wasting urban areas. How is saying the government shouldn't subsidize people's McMansions trouncing on freedom?

2012-08-01 07:57:18

#508

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5567|London, England

Subsidizing in what way? By building roads paid for with their own tax money? By building schools paid for by their own school taxes? Lol.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-08-01 07:58:51

#509

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6884|Canberra, AUS

Jay wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Jay wrote:
You would commute via bus from your nice neighborhood to your job?
Yes. Wouldn't kill me.
Ok.

a lot of people do actually use public transport, y'know...

urban planning is going to be v interesting in the next few decades, as city planners across the world gasp in horror and realise 'oh shit what have we done' with their sprawling, completely unviable messes.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2012-08-01 08:00:00

#510

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5567|London, England

Spark wrote:
Jay wrote:
Macbeth wrote:

Yes. Wouldn't kill me.
Ok.
a lot of people do actually use public transport, y'know...

urban planning is going to be v interesting in the next few decades, as city planners across the world gasp in horror and realise 'oh shit what have we done' with their sprawling, completely unviable messes.

City planners do more harm than good.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-08-01 08:03:47

#511

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6884|Canberra, AUS

depends on the circumstances. plenty of cities i can name which are well planned, and are orderly and spacious but don't take up ten million hectares of land.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2012-08-01 08:10:21

#512

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5795

Jay wrote:
Subsidizing in what way? By building roads paid for with their own tax money? By building schools paid for by their own school taxes? Lol.

Because those expensive suburbs are always paid for by the people living there and not with the general state and federal funds.

Christ you are dumb.

2012-08-01 08:11:06

#513

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5567|London, England

Spark wrote:
depends on the circumstances. plenty of cities i can name which are well planned, and are orderly and spacious but don't take up ten million hectares of land.

No, it's an excuse for NIMBYism and political bullshit. New York City has a rule that you can't build apartment buildings over a certain height because 'they block out the sun and are thus a blight', except there's a loophole that allows them to build those buildings as long as they are full of luxury apartments. Oops, now NYC has a housing shortage and rent for a one bedroom apartment is near $3000/month.

There are plenty of people that want to live in Manhattan or Brooklyn and pay these exorbitant prices because they want to be close to work or be close to the night life or just have a romantic attachment to being someplace busy. That lasts right up until they get married, realize that raising a kid in an urban environment sucks, and promptly move out to the suburbs. Who are you or anyone else to say that this is wrong?

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-08-01 08:18:38

#514

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5567|London, England

Macbeth wrote:
Jay wrote:
Subsidizing in what way? By building roads paid for with their own tax money? By building schools paid for by their own school taxes? Lol.
Because those expensive suburbs are always paid for by the people living there and not with the general state and federal funds.

Christ you are dumb.

Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Do you know who subsidizes NYC's transit system? Commuters in cars. The MTA loses money on every single bus ride, every single train ride, and every single subway ride. The only way to make up these losses is by charging people living in the suburbs a commuter tax in the form of tolls on bridges. Every time you cross the Bayonne Bridge you are sending money directly to the Port Authority to subsidize the PATH system and NJ transit. If you work in NYC you have to pay NYC income tax whether you live there or not. This subsidizes the absurdly low property taxes within the city. Those people in the suburbs pay higher property taxes, higher income taxes, and fund the mass transit system. On top of that for every dollar they send to Albany they receive maybe $0.65 back, the rest gets distributed upstate in the form of political pork spending.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-08-01 08:28:03

#515

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5468|foggy bottom

sounds like how blue states subsidize red states

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2012-08-01 08:31:05

#516

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5567|London, England

eleven bravo wrote:
sounds like how blue states subsidize red states

Same concept. We get penalized for living in high cost of living areas with higher tax rates.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-08-01 10:16:46

#517

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6706

(CREDIT: Center for American Progress)

2012-08-01 10:20:54

#518

Narupug: Fodder Mostly; +150|5806|Vacationland

My apologies for derailing the conversation.

Jay wrote:
And I've explained to you that no matter how stringent you make the laws, people will ignore them. There are already laws preventing felons from purchasing firearms and they still find a way to possess them.

I'm going to go ahead and assume that you've never shot a gun before and that you are probably terrified of them. Compared to driving, shooting is easy. The military takes people off the street that have never fired a weapon before in their life and, over the course of two weeks, turns them into expert shots. Load, unload, keep weapon pointed downrange, clear malfunctions, aim, squeeze the trigger. I could teach all of this to you inside of two hours and it wouldn't make you any more responsible than you were when you walked in the door. It would just make you a more dangerous human being.

And I've been trying to explain that while some people will ignore them, others will be deterred by it and those who do ignore it run the risk of being caught. There are no magic bullet, but I believe there are steps we can take that will at the very least lessen the number of incidents.

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2012-08-01 10:29:05

#519

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5567|London, England

Some of the most famous mass murderers in US history didn't even bother using guns. Knives, poison, strangulation, it all works just fine. Not to take anything away from Aurora, but they've been pulling corpses off the beach on the south shore of Long Island for the past two years; someone has been targeting prostitutes. It's treated more as a curiosity because it doesn't have the sudden impact story that most news media prefer to report.

Gun control is largely stupid, ineffective, and is designed to do nothing more than give people a false sense of security so they can sleep at night, just like the other kneejerk reaction to a tragedy: the TSA.

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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-08-01 10:31:14

#520

west-phoenix-az: Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does; +632|6598

Gary Ridgway

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2012-08-01 11:21:35

#521

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5567|London, England

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-08-01 11:25:36

#522

Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|5911|College Park, MD

Jay wrote:
You would commute via bus from your nice neighborhood to your job?

it's not like the buses that go through nice neighborhoods to the city centers are full of heroin addicts and thugs. A lot of people in the rich parts of this area still take the bus or Metro because driving can be a fucking nightmare depending on which roads you have to take.

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2012-08-01 11:31:27

#523

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5567|London, England

I live three blocks from a LIRR station so my situation is a little different, but the only people I ever see waiting for the bus are people who clearly just commute here to work menial jobs or kids traveling to and from school.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-08-01 11:33:16

#524

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6981|PNW

For FUCK sake

AP wrote:
OC DA: After son's death, professor plots attack

-11 hours

SANTA ANA, Calif. (AP) — When his son killed himself after being punished by his high school for stealing, pharmaceutical sciences professor Rainer Reinscheid was angry.

He blamed the Irvine school's treatment of his son for the teen's death — and the next month, wrote emails describing in graphic detail a plan to buy guns, murder students and administrators, carry out sexual assaults, burn down the school and kill himself, authorities said.

Now, the 48-year-old is being held without bail as prosecutors say the professor who has spent more than a decade at University of California, Irvine is a danger to society.

[...]

2012-08-01 16:42:19

#525

RAIMIUS: You with the face!; +244|6924|US

13urnzz wrote:

(CREDIT: Center for American Progress)

What's with the huge gaps?
Edit: also, how do they define killing sprees? I notice Oklahoma City isn't on there, as that would go pretty far off the chart.

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