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2006-05-24 18:36:11
Darth_Fleder
Mod from the Church of the Painful Truth
+533|7046|Orlando, FL - Age 43

Snipedya14 wrote:

Oh, right, almost 2000 lives lost, but hey, Clinton had got some action with an intern!!!
It wasn't about the action, it was about the perjury.

Now a little perspective.....

Iwo Jima - 26,000 casualties - 7000 dead
Guadalcanal  - 6000 casualties -1600 dead
Nomandy - 6603 - 1465 dead.
Battle of the Bulge -  81,000 casualties - 19,000 killed

Civil War - 620,000-700,000 dead

We have lost more of our own on A SINGLE DAY than have been lost in the three years in Iraq.

A little more perspective....When Bush was elected Marconius was 15, Naughty a mere boy of 10.
When Clinton was first elected, they were 7 and 2 respectively. Having someone that was aged 7-15 and 2-10 tell me about the Clinton presidency as if they have been following politics since birth is rather amusing and to get the facts is absolutely hilarious.

Naughty_Om wrote:

he was in court for lying under oath...but the american people didnt care. so they didnt impeach him.
You are right on the first part, wrong about impeachment. He was impeached by the House, but not convicted by the Senate.
2006-05-24 18:38:52
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6801
Yes........because it's no like there are books that record facts and figures or anything.  Wouldn't it be wonderful if that were the case.  Every time we wondered about the long ago we could check these books.  We'd call them "history books", and all would be well with the world.  Oh, the possibilities.
2006-05-24 18:40:56
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|6902|USA

Naughty_Om wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Darth_Fleder wrote:


No, he invaded an intern and commited perjury in a court of law about it.
Blowjobs and Adulty ARE NOT AGAINST THE LAW!!! He should have never been in court.

Thats called a witch hunt.
he was in court for lying under oath...but the american people didnt care. so they didnt impeach him.
He should have never been in court.
2006-05-24 18:44:20
Not Entirely Sane
Member
+6|6900|Just Outside Seattle
I think Bill Clinton was on the whole a decent president, not terrible but not brilliant. On the other hand, despite my liberal leanings; I don't want Hilary Clinton anywhere near the white house, something about her rubs me the wrong way, she seems like an opportunist, who gained political office solely by the fact she was married to Bill.
2006-05-24 18:44:54
Darth_Fleder
Mod from the Church of the Painful Truth
+533|7046|Orlando, FL - Age 43

Bubbalo wrote:

Yes........because it's no like there are books that record facts and figures or anything.  Wouldn't it be wonderful if that were the case.  Every time we wondered about the long ago we could check these books.  We'd call them "history books", and all would be well with the world.  Oh, the possibilities.
For recent history, it's called brainwashing bubbalo.

Mason....do you even know why he was in court?
2006-05-24 18:46:05
Naughty_Om
Im Ron Burgundy?
+355|6873|USA

Marconius wrote:

psychotoxic187 wrote:

Actually Clinton invaded Kosovo without sending it in to vote on, hence it was illegal. He did not handle the first World Trade Center bombings well, 9/11 proves that.
Wrong.  Read my post above.
marconis is right, and he went into kosovo with NATO on his side and the U.N. permission.

Last edited by Naughty_Om (2006-05-24 18:46:19)

2006-05-24 18:47:50
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6801

Darth_Fleder wrote:

For recent history, it's called brainwashing bubbalo.

Mason....do you even know why he was in court?
I'm sorry, what's called brainwashing?
2006-05-24 18:52:11
Naughty_Om
Im Ron Burgundy?
+355|6873|USA
guys...the fact stands bush will never be able to stand up to clinton after the dumb mistakes he has made....the reason why we havent lost many troops in IRAQ. is because A. iraqis cant shoot worth a damn and B. they blow each other up C. our armor is 100% times better. D. a war is not casualties, its mental. The WAR was wrong to begin in the first place, waste of time and money. look at the economic damage

3.3 TRILLION dollars
2006-05-24 19:06:40
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|6902|USA

Darth_Fleder wrote:

It wasn't about the action, it was about the perjury.

Now a little perspective.....

Iwo Jima - 26,000 casualties - 7000 dead
Guadalcanal  - 6000 casualties -1600 dead
Nomandy - 6603 - 1465 dead.
Battle of the Bulge -  81,000 casualties - 19,000 killed

Civil War - 620,000-700,000 dead

We have lost more of our own on A SINGLE DAY than have been lost in the three years in Iraq.
Its a bit unfair to compare those past wars to todays Iraqi War with advances in medicine and combat medic tactics http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti … 1001/NEWS. FFS This is the one unchallenged argument about the Iraqi War the Bush admin can smile upon. That because of this war, civilians will benifit from the medical advances.

Here was the best hope for both sides for the USA's future.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hackett

He has now backed out of his political aspirations due to the bullshit he recieved from both the Beltway dems and the Bush admin.

The best way he put it was (Ill loosely quote as to Im am unsure of his actual words):

"The current power houses in Washington have been there a long time to where it is thier "country club". And when the boys come back from the links and see a young punk sitting in thier chair with his feet kicked up on the desk waving a middle finger at them, it doesn't go well."

This is a metaphor for when you go into gov't and try to change what these old fuckers have been doing for so long, it's going to go over like a lead balloon; and it did result in sabotage of his campaign finances and an attempted muck-raking on this vet. He quit soon after....

edit: grammar

Last edited by Mason4Assassin444 (2006-05-24 19:34:25)

2006-05-24 19:15:32
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6929|Tampa Bay Florida

Darth_Fleder wrote:

Snipedya14 wrote:

Oh, right, almost 2000 lives lost, but hey, Clinton had got some action with an intern!!!
It wasn't about the action, it was about the perjury.

Now a little perspective.....

Iwo Jima - 26,000 casualties - 7000 dead
Guadalcanal  - 6000 casualties -1600 dead
Nomandy - 6603 - 1465 dead.
Battle of the Bulge -  81,000 casualties - 19,000 killed

Civil War - 620,000-700,000 dead

We have lost more of our own on A SINGLE DAY than have been lost in the three years in Iraq.

A little more perspective....When Bush was elected Marconius was 15, Naughty a mere boy of 10.
When Clinton was first elected, they were 7 and 2 respectively. Having someone that was aged 7-15 and 2-10 tell me about the Clinton presidency as if they have been following politics since birth is rather amusing and to get the facts is absolutely hilarious.

Naughty_Om wrote:

he was in court for lying under oath...but the american people didnt care. so they didnt impeach him.
You are right on the first part, wrong about impeachment. He was impeached by the House, but not convicted by the Senate.
Wrong.  Many figures state over 100,000 civilian casualties in Iraq.  But they don't matter, do they?  We lose 3,000 at the WTC -- Iraq loses at least 30,000.  <------- and that figure is according to the Bush Administration.

When Clinton lied, no one died.  When Bush lied, thousands died.

Last edited by Spearhead (2006-05-24 19:16:43)

2006-05-24 19:19:38
<[onex]>Headstone
Member
+102|6942|New York

Marconius wrote:

Promises, eh?  Perhaps you should go visit Mohammed Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, Mahmud Abouhalima, Ahmad Ajaj and Ramzi Yousef.  The perpetrators of the '93 WTC attacks are all in jail for life, and much less can be said about the one possibly self-proclaimed mastermind of 9/11....

For each of those 'promises' you listed, retaliation was carried out and information was gathered.  Richard Clark was assigned to take down al Qaeda, and had a plan drafted after the USS Cole bombing.  Of course, the responsibility for the Cole retaliation would lie in the hands of the person in power, which happened to be GWB, as he just entered office.  Bush decides to ignore Clark and carry out his own agenda, and lets 9/11 happen.

I could post the exact same military personnel breakdown for GWB, but they seem to have censored a few parts of his records, so the entire military action or inaction for Both men is a moot point.

The final "Interesting Question" is absolutely ridiculous.  Hunting down al Qaeda came around in the mid- to late-'90s, which is what Richard Clark was working on.  In the meantime, I guess this soldier forgot his economy lessons and the way the government regards antitrust cases...

Wikipedia, and a little more digging around wrote:

In response to these attacks, President Bill Clinton ordered a freeze on assets linked to bin Laden. Clinton also signed an executive order, authorizing bin Laden's arrest or assassination. In August 1998, the U.S. launched an attack using cruise missiles. The attack failed to harm bin Laden but killed 19 other people. The U.S. offered a US $25 million reward for information leading to bin Laden's apprehension or conviction and, in 1999, convinced the United Nations to impose sanctions against Afghanistan in an attempt to force the Taliban to extradite him.
Hmm...Bush's approval rating from 2004-2006
aaand Clinton's approval rating
?????Clinton also signed an executive order, authorizing bin Laden's arrest or assassination.

WTF?? So your saying he Broke the Law again????? Never ends with that guy.
2006-05-24 19:24:13
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|6902|USA

Bubbalo wrote:

Yes........because it's no like there are books that record facts and figures or anything.  Wouldn't it be wonderful if that were the case.  Every time we wondered about the long ago we could check these books.  We'd call them "history books", and all would be well with the world.  Oh, the possibilities.
Shit we don't need to learn about evolution why the hell do we need history books.

Speaking of history....

Its crazy how closely our current Iraqi War resmebles the Britsh invasion of Iraq in 1941.

http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/rsepResourc … leEast.asp
2006-05-24 19:25:11
Naughty_Om
Im Ron Burgundy?
+355|6873|USA
or the vietnam war, just without the jungle and the asians
2006-05-24 19:26:52
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6801

Naughty_Om wrote:

or the vietnam war, just without the jungle and the asians
Don't bother, everyone will just go on about how much more people died in Vietnam and how they could have won Vietnam anyway blah blah blah.
2006-05-24 19:34:41
Marconius
One-eyed Wonder Mod
+368|6934|San Francisco
Aww Gee Golly Willickers, Fleder, I'm so sorry for being so young and refusing to follow your ideal status quo of remaining ignorant about politics until I'm 40!  If you are just going to keep bringing up Churchill's "Young = liberal, old = conservative" quote (which, by the way, was quoted back in a time when political parties were a bit different then the extreme polar opposites that they are now (plus, Churchill is British, and their ideals of Economic/Social liberalism aren't as grossly misdefined as they are today in America))...I mean, seriously, that in of itself is childish.

Why attack my age, anyways?  It's not my fault that my school taught us about politics and the voting process in the 4th grade, and that I grew up with a keen interest in politics.  But I guess if it makes you feel better about yourself to denounce my political thinking because of my age, or gives you a sense of triumph when you have nothing to add to a debate and can't construe my arguments in a way that shapes to your thinking, then so be it.
2006-05-25 04:35:34
<[onex]>Headstone
Member
+102|6942|New York
This is for the idiot who gave me -1, You ignorant Kid, Clinton broke more than ONE law, and ordering the assasination of ANYONE is against Our Laws, even if its a civilian you Idiot.

Man I wish it was required to give your name when giving -1 carma. Then you can see who the idiots are.
2006-05-25 04:47:18
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|6902|USA

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

This is for the idiot who gave me -1, You ignorant Kid, Clinton broke more than ONE law, and ordering the assasination of ANYONE is against Our Laws, even if its a civilian you Idiot.

Man I wish it was required to give your name when giving -1 carma. Then you can see who the idiots are.
I'll bite. What was the comment? Im curious.
2006-05-25 04:51:04
Sydney
2λчиэλ
+783|7083|Reykjavík, Iceland.
Anything better than Bush IMO.
2006-05-25 05:22:54
<[onex]>Headstone
Member
+102|6942|New York
Comment was "Clinton only broke one law" Thats it. But if the kid knew anything, he would Know, that he had the intern deal, whitewater, and also the malicous pardoning of fellons just to be spiteful before he left office.

Im sure theres more, but I really dont feel like rehashing the clinton debate again. Theres alot of things i dont agree with GW on also, But WTH, hes still our leader, and we need to support him, wrong or right, Until MAYBE someone better gets elected. I mean, Its looks pretty pethetic to the rest of the world when people dont even stand behind the leader of there own country, a leader who was elected by the people. Insane really.

I didnt like clinton since his second term, but still supported him in spirit.
2006-05-25 05:50:13
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6801

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

I mean, Its looks pretty pethetic to the rest of the world when people dont even stand behind the leader of there own country, a leader who was elected by the people.
Elected by *some* people.  And it looks even more pathetic when you sound like goddamn clones.  But whatever.
2006-05-25 05:54:00
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|6902|USA

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

Comment was "Clinton only broke one law" Thats it. But if the kid knew anything, he would Know, that he had the intern deal, whitewater, and also the malicous pardoning of fellons just to be spiteful before he left office.

Im sure theres more, but I really dont feel like rehashing the clinton debate again. Theres alot of things i dont agree with GW on also, But WTH, hes still our leader, and we need to support him, wrong or right, Until MAYBE someone better gets elected. I mean, Its looks pretty pethetic to the rest of the world when people dont even stand behind the leader of there own country, a leader who was elected by the people. Insane really.

I didnt like clinton since his second term, but still supported him in spirit.
Wikipedia:
He was not tried for nor found guilty of perjury in a court.

In a lame duck session after the 1998 elections, the Republican-controlled House voted to impeach Clinton. The next year, the Senate voted to acquit Clinton of the charges brought against him.

Perjury = One law

But your right. Lets drop the Clinton thing....oh wait. This IS a Clinton thread. LOL!
2006-05-25 06:03:36
G3|Genius
Pope of BF2s
+355|6866|Sea to globally-cooled sea
Clinton was much more smooth than Bush is.  Clinton had charm.  Clinton had charisma.

Bush has values.  You may not agree with them.  BUT there is something to be said about someone who does not forego his values for political gain.

NO ONE with an objective mind can say that the clintons are straight shooters.  when making a decision, they look to the polls and do what people want, and if it's not the right thing, who cares.

I say, I'd vote for a person whom I know will stick to his guns and his faith rather than a fake feminazi turned (conveniently) centrist.

"He will give them blood, and they will love him for it" (Gladiator)
2006-05-25 06:19:38
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6801
Could whoever gave me negative karma give me another tomorrow which says *why*.  I'm just curious is all.
2006-05-25 06:46:00
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6975|California

delta4bravo*nl* wrote:

Clinton did something good for the USA bush is just fucking up the USA!!!!
Way to dumb down this debate. You thump your chest when you type?
2006-05-25 06:49:25
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6801

Erkut.hv wrote:

Way to dumb down this debate. You thump your chest when you type?
And you never say that to Horseman or Gunslinger why?  Oh, that's right, they're on your side.  My mistake.

 

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